Kleeneeze or Betterware?

Peter_Pan

The main point that people make about Kleeneze retailing is the low hourly rate after everything taken into consideration especially in the early days when you are trying to find regular customers. Having built customer bases with a couple of Companies i can say it does get easier as you find customers who are interested and your time and brochures are used much more effectively and it can provide a very useful income which is flexible and can be fitted around most peoples commitments.

In this economic climate where getting even a low paid job is difficult and everything is going up in price we need to weigh it up which is better, having a go at building our own income or accepting how bad the situation and not do anything. Even people working full time are struggling to make ends meet so surely a flexible 2nd income is a definate bonus.

How many self employed people, new Business owners would carry on if they stopped to add up all the hours and concentrated on their hourly rate and all the money they have invested in the first few years of starting up, they don't!! they look to the future knowing that they are currently building foundations and investing their time and money into their future. We are in an instant gratification Society and everything is about as little elbow grease as possible but look where that has got us................................enough said!!!

Both Betterware and Kleeneze can provide a useful income but if its a longer term view Kleeneze with the chance to become a team leader and mentor has to be the one to choose although i do personally think there are better opportunities out there with much better products and ethics.

Debbie

Should_be_out_gardening

PatrickD wrote: »

Well my experiences are different to yours..sorry.
I'm building up a nice little customer base, around people I already know, and thats all I want. I dont want to go out ''cataloguing'' as I've always believed that network marketing is about ''a lot of people doing a little'', i.e. find a few customers and build a team doing the same. This is what I'm doing.
The problem I've found on this thread is that the people who have failed at Kleeneze are very bitter and believe its the truth to tell everyone that because they failed, everyone else will. Its not true. Sorry you failed, but people fail in every venture in life, just like others are successful. Thats the truth and I can quite understand how it hurts when you've failed yourself.

Happy Christmas to all

Pat

I did NOT **FAIL** thank you very much - kleeneze FAILED me , I did all I was asked and more, I put out the books but people did not buy. If I recall correctly you did a week and left because you didn't like the products. The work you do has little to do with how kleeneze operates other than MLM, it's completely different about the catalogues., it's different how it's sold , it's different how it's al marketed.

So all in all unless you've actually done this then you really have no right to declare anyone a failure or indeed a success for success won't be after a good first month it will be after months and months . Unfortunately in the case discussed here the person has found customers on her doorstep but will they order time and time again? They won't.

fashionlover10

Morethanconcerned wrote: »

Well thats lovely and contributes utter zilch to the actual business in hand.

Ohh aren't you wonderfully pleasant and charming

Honest_John_666

PatrickD wrote: »

There goes my point entirely. Because I have a view on Kleeneze and network marketing, suddenly I'm recruiting!! Well, I'm not (notice the lack of any links...its a dead giveaway!). I know what you're doing, accuse us of recruiting then hopefully we get banned.
What you really want is a thread where everyone thinks that Kleeneze is scum, like you. Debate and discussion doesnt work like that, people have different opinions and those opinions should be respected. I have no problem with you thinking they're scum, but I dont agree with your opinion.

Pat

& here we go again........

You've replied very quickly again....... I dont think I've mentioned you Pat have I???

As the saying goes.........if the cap fits........... :rotfl:

Next..........

Regards
John

Honest_John_666

Peter_Pan wrote: »

The main point that people make about Kleeneze retailing is the low hourly rate after everything taken into consideration especially in the early days when you are trying to find regular customers. Having built customer bases with a couple of Companies i can say it does get easier as you find customers who are interested and your time and brochures are used much more effectively and it can provide a very useful income which is flexible and can be fitted around most peoples commitments.

In this economic climate where getting even a low paid job is difficult and everything is going up in price we need to weigh it up which is better, having a go at building our own income or accepting how bad the situation and not do anything. Even people working full time are struggling to make ends meet so surely a flexible 2nd income is a definate bonus.

How many self employed people, new Business owners would carry on if they stopped to add up all the hours and concentrated on their hourly rate and all the money they have invested in the first few years of starting up, they don't!! they look to the future knowing that they are currently building foundations and investing their time and money into their future. We are in an instant gratification Society and everything is about as little elbow grease as possible but look where that has got us................................enough said!!!

Both Betterware and Kleeneze can provide a useful income but if its a longer term view Kleeneze with the chance to become a team leader and mentor has to be the one to choose although i do personally think there are better opportunities out there with much better products and ethics.

Debbie

I dont think anyone has ever disputed that you can earn a useful part time income with Kleeneze retailing

I dont think you need to be a rocket scientist to work out that most of us who follow this thread are sick to death of the Kleeneze recruiters/Team Leader/generic BS'ers with there continued BS of fantastic earnings which in most cased turns out to be a complete lie & fantasy

Kleeneze recruiters PREY on vulnerable people with dreams. That is why 99.9% of new people quit. Cut out the BS & I think more & more people will lay off of them

There is nothing wrong with Kleeneze........Betterware.........MLM............NWM..........you must be honest & ethical with people

With you Peter Pan & what you have written why do you change earning vehicles so often?? It seems as though everything you try is fantastic so why dont you stick @ them

IMO & I'm not recruiting here.......you could be a Team Leader with Betterware far far far far more easily than ever with Kleeneze. As you've worked for a lot of these companies whu dont you give them a call. That could be company 98 out of 100 for you :rotfl:

Regard
John

Honest_John_666

PatrickD wrote: »

Well my experiences are different to yours..sorry.
No your not
I'm building up a nice little customer base, around people I already know, and thats all I want. I dont want to go out ''cataloguing'' as I've always believed that network marketing is about ''a lot of people doing a little'', i.e. find a few customers and build a team doing the same. This is what I'm doing.
Dont think any people are interested in what your doing

The problem I've found on this thread is that the people who have failed at Kleeneze are very bitter and believe its the truth to tell everyone that because they failed, everyone else will. Its not true. Sorry you failed, but people fail in every venture in life, just like others are successful. Thats the truth and I can quite understand how it hurts when you've failed yourself.
I dont bloody blame them, their sharing their thoughts. Even in your head haven't you worked that out. Let me help you......go back over this thread & tell me how many pro Kleeneze people come on here. Work out how many good stories against how many bad stories!!!

Happy Christmas to all
Make sure you have your Eco catalogue out for everyone to see around the dinner table. Great sales period...... Xmas day

Pat

IMO this is a disgusting reply :mad:

Clearly coming on here trying to promote your new NWM eco business Pat :mad:

How the hell can you tell this person they have failed.........your a disgrace :mad:

Regards
John

PatrickD

Honest_John_666 wrote: »

& here we go again........

You've replied very quickly again....... I dont think I've mentioned you Pat have I???

As the saying goes.........if the cap fits........... :rotfl:

Next..........

Regards
John

You didnt mention me by name but you did post

we have a few Wiki what sit on here of late

The only ''few Wiki'' on here are myself and someone else, so who exactly were you referring to if it wasn't me?
You should try remembering what you post.... :rotfl:

Pat

PatrickD

Honest_John_666 wrote: »

IMO this is a disgusting reply :mad:

Clearly coming on here trying to promote your new NWM eco business Pat :mad:

How the hell can you tell this person they have failed.........your a disgrace :mad:

Regards
John

How can I tell someone they ''failed''? Er, because they did. They joined Kleeneze to reach a certain goal, they didn't manage to do that (obviously, or they'd still be doing it), so they failed. You do know the meaning of the word ''fail'' don't you?
Don't stress yourself about it, we all fail at things, its perfectly normal. We do all have a choice though, either spend the rest of your life whinging about it, or move on.

Happy Christmas
Pat

Peter_Pan

Honest_John_666 wrote: »

people will lay off of them



With you Peter Pan & what you have written why do you change earning vehicles so often?? It seems as though everything you try is fantastic so why dont you stick @ them



Regard
John

Hi John

I don't change earning vehicles often at all, not sure where you got the idea i change vehicle regularly?

I was in Kleeneze about 10 yrs ago or so and was with them 2 years and managed to make a decent 2nd income from the retailing but then became disillusioned with the products, then went to Everyday Essentials mainly because they had some eco-friendly products which unfortunately ceased trading after approx 18 mths and i have been out of this type of Biz for 6 years before i joined Wikaniko and i only joined that because it does tick all of my boxes and first and foremost it has a great worthwhile cause, i couldn't afford to buy all the eco-friendly/natural products that i wanted and saw a way of earning extra income which could initially cover my own purchases and then if i chose i could build on that even further.

Debbie

Peter_Pan

Honest_John_666 wrote: »

There is nothing wrong with Kleeneze........Betterware.........MLM............NWM..........you must be honest & ethical with people




Regard
John

Yes i agree John and that is what i have always done in the Networks i have been in and why i have made long term friendships with people who joined me in the Networks, if i hadn't been honest and misled them do you think they would still be good friends with me?

Its a shame that there are some people who don't tell the truth about how much effort is required and the ongoing costs and lead people to join with false expectations of their first few months but there are alot who do care and are honest. I think its a sign of desperation when they don't and i remember my Kleeneze days we weren't told about the on going ordering costs and a few other things. I always suggest people try the products first because if someone likes the products and wants to use them regularly themselves then they are going to find recommending them very easy.

Debbie