Kleeneeze or Betterware?

Should_be_out_gardening

PatrickD wrote: »

By the way, maybe I didn't mention it before, but I FAILED at Kleeneze.
Never mind if I gave it a week, a month or a year, I joined to make it work and quickly saw that I wouldn't, so I FAILED. My lack of success in the company was solely down to me because I gave it up. I don't blame the company or others, it was my fault and it really doesn't hurt me to say so. What I did though, was move on and not spend the rest of my life blaming others or the company. So don't get so upset when I say that others failed, I did it myself and I'm not scared or too embarrassed to admit it.

Pat

The problem is you know nothing about it not having done it, you did a week by your own admission.

The problem really is that you don't know what you are talking about and your offensive attempts at psychoanalysis of others can't do anything other than put peoples backs up.


I have actually been looking at wikianiko and it's products. I am away to the proper thread to discuss them , in that thread you will be in a position to answer properly , here you most certainly aren't, as the discussion is day to day kleeneze operations not the wider MLM.

Edinburghlass_2

louloubelle79 wrote: »

Hi, just wondering if anyone has had experience of either of these companies and would recommend?? what percentage you get? if you have to buy books etc?
Thanks

Just to remind you all of the first post of this thread. Not a thread for discussing and debating MLM and in particular not for promoting Wikaniko.

Peter_Pan

Jeanetteathome wrote: »

It's always lovely to see you around here 'gardening. Thats an insightful post, I shall never forget those meetings and the voicemail stuff they did. Some new person would have a good week and they'd trumpet them as the second coming, a few weeks later quiet enquiries as to their whereabouts (you couldn't ask the uplines they'd get stroppy) and I'd find they'd given up and their supposed good fortune masked dreadful book losses and incomplete orders that they'd had endless trouble with.

It is a bit much here having to argue the toss with folk who have all but a weeks experience of kleeneze , they may trumpet their own goings on with some company few have heard of or care about but it doesn't give them any insight whatsoever into Kleeneze. They only post here so they get reciprocal support on the wikkianaio (god knows how it's spelt , never heard of it before) thread.

its spelt Wikaniko and pronounced we can eco :-). and i assume you
Don't mean me i had slightly longer experience with Kleeneze than a few
weeks :-)

Debbie

Should_be_out_gardening

Peter_Pan wrote: »

its spelt Wikaniko and pronounced we can eco :-). and i assume you
Don't mean me i had slightly longer experience with Kleeneze than a few
weeks :-)

Debbie

I think it's pretty obvious Jeanette meant patrick D , it's OK to discuss kleeneze but not to lecture others about failure if by a persons own admission they only did it a week.

wongawonga

Looked at the Kleeneze Official Facebook Page. Recent Discussion about a UK Weekend Break Promotion.

Distributor posted. " Well as much as i would love a break from putting out over 400 cats a week my customers dont seem to want me to have one making only £100 of orders "

New Director Of Sales. Tells them "Keep going that next catalogue could be the order that makes all the difference "

Where have i heard that before ?

Antispam

Can't recruit here Paul hit the :spam: button

MummyMummy_2

i feel like the betterware/kleeneze/avon door to door type stuff has had its day.

that kind of selling was big many many years ago when the internet wasn't as popular and there didn't seem to be as much competition from supermarkets/bargain stores etc. these days though most people are savvy enough to know how to use the internet to find bargains (and the way we are bringing up our children they are only going to get better and better at using computers) and on top of that there are now several bargain/cheap shops in every town along side 'superstores'.

the percentage of people that can't get out/can't use the internet etc. are not going to be enough to cover the costs of the other catalogues that have been delivered that have just gone into someones bin after being dropped off surely?

it's no wonder people are making no money/loosing money when it comes to these types of businesses. the products are way over priced and they are not unique. you can get the same products from other places far cheaper (an example being my nan paid £5 for a roll of sticky gift tags from a door catalogue company, i went to b&m and got the same tags for 99p or £1!) people should use their common sense when choosing what they 'invest' their money in when it comes to business opportunities. would you buy from door catalogues? if not, why not? if you wont, are other people going to? as much as we like to think we are unique, we're really not.

NeverInDebt

MummyMummy You are right they are over priced but dont let that stop some predators who prey on the ill informed, and vulnerable of society. I think its quite shameful that some of them take advantage like that but then the company have little ethics too and more interested in making a profit at their expense not withstanding pestering people at their homes

Jeanetteathome

wongawonga wrote: »

Looked at the Kleeneze Official Facebook Page. Recent Discussion about a UK Weekend Break Promotion.

Distributor posted. " Well as much as i would love a break from putting out over 400 cats a week my customers dont seem to want me to have one making only £100 of orders "

New Director Of Sales. Tells them "Keep going that next catalogue could be the order that makes all the difference "

Where have i heard that before ?

There is a lot of rubbish coming out of Kleeneze right now, they know that as the slight rise in sales over Xmas dies off they'll be flat again in Jan unless they can get people out there with the sale books full of stuff already out of stock.

The funny thing about FB is that occasionally they let through the odd dissenting voice , nut you have to be quick to spot it before it gets taken off. Even that said they often leave up people saying it isn't working..

Jeanetteathome

I see the top brass are making out how wonderful all is at Kleeneze towers by publishing how many people distributors have recruited over the last year. One distributorship has recruited 129 people, but if you look at their published results their points have risen from 46,000 to just 57,000 over the year, so 129 new people signed up have given them just a Gold level higher. They make a great fuss saying that people only need 10 people on their team to get to gold -here they needed 129 , imagine how many phone calls , how much petrol and time it took and for what?

Of course they don't want anyone to look too closely at the figures or point out the dichotomy between whats going on and whats said at meetings where the *circles* so beloved of kleeneze are still being drawn.