Kleeneeze or Betterware?

Jeanetteathome

Peter_Pan wrote: »

Yes you are correct Smart Mart unfortunately Everyday Essentials ceased due to cashflow problems a few years ago now

Debbie

Cashflow is another word now for poor business started off the back of kleeneze and falling by the wayside? At the time EE was seen as the next big thing , it wasn't.

Jeanetteathome

PatrickD wrote: »

I agree, I wouldnt do either as I'm happy with what I'm doing, but we all have our different opinions as to which one is best and should respect each others.

Pat

Oh? is that the respect you gave on here to someone who had *actually* done Kleeneze and called them a failure using word semantics? That kind of respect?

The best respect would be to admit that you know nothing about the day to day of Kleeneze and just really want the opportunity to shoe in guff about MLM.

PatrickD

Jeanetteathome wrote: »

But you did Kleeneze for a week and have never done betterware. The MLM thing which you are desperate to talk about (even the moderators had a word about this) is most certainly NOT the reason why people sign up to either of these. They see adverts - *make £250 - £1000n a month FTPT* for Kleeneze and thats what they sign up for.

As to having *20yrs* experience you don't seem to have learnt that MLM on the whole doesn't work or you wouldn't have chopped and changed all these years would you? I'll bet you did Amway and all the others and each time 100% sure with all the experience that this MLM was the big one.

One born every minute............

I know plenty about Kleeneze...its called ''research'' and is easily done without needing to be a distributor.

In 20 years overall, I've made very good money and its been an excellent extra to my job income. ''Chopped and changed''?? How many companies have I been with in those 20 years? I've never posted how many on here, so how would you know? No, never did Amway.

Pat.

PatrickD

Jeanetteathome wrote: »

Oh? is that the respect you gave on here to someone who had *actually* done Kleeneze and called them a failure using word semantics? That kind of respect?

The best respect would be to admit that you know nothing about the day to day of Kleeneze and just really want the opportunity to shoe in guff about MLM.

Nothing disrespectful about stating someone has failed at something. Failing at something just means you didn't reach the goals you set. You obviously failed at reaching the goals you had when you joined Kleeneze, otherwise you'd still be doing it instead of spending your time on here telling others not to.

Pat

Antispam

Likewise.....

PatrickD wrote: »

otherwise you'd still be doing it instead of spending your time on here telling others not to.

Pat

Morethanconcerned

PatrickD wrote: »

You're right, very few have heard of it, but they will and just think of the advantages of being involved when so few have heard of it!

Btw, as regards people's experience with Kleeneze, take a look at their Facebook pages you'll see plenty of upbeat, positive posts on there (of course, you'll say they're lying).

Happy Christmas!

Pat

People like you might lap up all the network marketing double talk, but those of us in the know can see right through it. Even now there are the odd dissenting voices popping up on facebook sites run by the big boys , pointing out uncomfortable home truths.

Only a very very gullible person would believe these FB sites hook line and sinker - either gullible , or a newbie - see what I did there? They want to sucker in new sign ups , it's in their best interests to to put the most positive spin they can and smother any dissent.

Morethanconcerned

Peter_Pan wrote: »

Hi John

I don't change earning vehicles often at all, not sure where you got the idea i change vehicle regularly?

I was in Kleeneze about 10 yrs ago or so and was with them 2 years and managed to make a decent 2nd income from the retailing but then became disillusioned with the products, then went to Everyday Essentials mainly because they had some eco-friendly products which unfortunately ceased trading after approx 18 mths and i have been out of this type of Biz for 6 years before i joined Wikaniko and i only joined that because it does tick all of my boxes and first and foremost it has a great worthwhile cause, i couldn't afford to buy all the eco-friendly/natural products that i wanted and saw a way of earning extra income which could initially cover my own purchases and then if i chose i could build on that even further.

Debbie

How does a cheap to make but very expensive to buy from wikaniko magnet clipped to a fuel pipe save the environment then? It's utter quackery aimed at the foolish and easily led. Nothing like this is fitted by any of the car manufacturers who would jump at the chance to make cars more economic to run.

Morethanconcerned

Jeanetteathome wrote: »

There is a lot of rubbish coming out of Kleeneze right now, they know that as the slight rise in sales over Xmas dies off they'll be flat again in Jan unless they can get people out there with the sale books full of stuff already out of stock.

The funny thing about FB is that occasionally they let through the odd dissenting voice , nut you have to be quick to spot it before it gets taken off. Even that said they often leave up people saying it isn't working..

It is HILARIOUS to see their responses - especially Gavin scott who for some reason with all that money and wonderful knowledge can't use a spell checker in his responses. Every now and again someone pops up and throws in a spanner - I thought it was someone from here but it isn't and it isn't me.

I wish they'd come here!

Morethanconcerned

Should_be_out_gardening wrote: »

No of course it isn't but what is suspect for many who have been hurt by Kleeneze is people popping up saying they put out a small amount of books , easily with no hassle, made shedloads of money and it's all gone swimmingly. It just sets alarm bells ringing, kleeneze has a truly atrocious reputation for lying and deceit . it's the fault of kleeneze itself along with big earning distribuotars that go round the net posting how good it all is.

To my shame I too posted here saying how good it was , I had just started and it seemed OK but after a very short while I realised it wasn't. I too started out on foot but after just 2 weeks I found I was so far from home it was taking longer to trudge out with the books let alone going back time and again to get lost ones. Of course using the car costs money and I just wasn't making any money . Once I put out 200 books and got just £37 in orders , the people I met were very nice but they just weren't interested , they even said they'd rather go to the shops - we have several Bargain shops in town. People were friendly and I really tried but it just wouldn't pay for itself.

Couple that with going to meetings to be told how wonderful it is - they regularly rolled out people telling fabulous stories of going out with 10 books and getting hundreds of pounds of orders , all on foot with X amount of kids in tow and it made me and others feel like right failures. Of course this was until I got friendly with a few people there in the team , found we had things in common and the truth came out - the lying about how long things took, the fact that huge orders shown included one off massive orders never repeated and were months if not years old. They always rolled out this or that new person but after a few meetings they weren't there again and people got frankly rather unpleasant when I inquired after them.

After a while I realised I was in a web of deceit and had lied even to myself - it would get better tomorrow, if they could do it so could I, perhaps I *was* negative like they said. But no , I realised with the help of frankly wiser heads in my family ( who I had been asked to recruit , then when they wouldn't and I told upline what they had said , I ws told to *ignore* them) that this whole thing was a charade. It used to work but frankly only a tiny handful make any money now either on the books or recruiting . I at least have tried it and my area was poor , I did my best .

Coming back to this site I realised I wasn't alone nor was my experiences in anyway unique to me, since moving on I have met other who have done it including a guy who got to gold and did huge retail like Morethanconcerned and everything he told me months ago rings true to what I read here. Jeanette has been supportive and understands the idea that you can bee all for it and think it;s OK then *see the light* as it were.

Now you've said you've done this for years before - you *must* therefore realise where everyone is coming from , you *know* full well how this game is played, you know how they spring on any good story and omit fine detail and use it to * encourage* others, most of the time it just makes others feel awful and hopeless. You are very lucky to have a good area, and great that you have fallen on your feet , but you MUST realise that you are very very lucky and that for the vast majority of people sucked into this it's NOTHING like your experiences . You have to see how it comes across , given how hurt and bitter many feel, I feel bitter even after all this time , you can't honestly expect to get anything but a negative reaction can you? To make out that it's all due to personality is just wrong and upsetting , I work with lots of people gardening and some bought from me , it's nothing to do with any of that and everything to do with the stuff not being what people need or want nowadays and being too expensive. For others who know very little to echo this point is hurtful and pointless too. It's just a daft thing to propose and the sort of thing kleeneze would say to make people fall in line and feel small, it's horrible actually.

From your posts and your own admittance to trying many things it seems you are searching for something and thats good but to come to a place filled with people upset and angry then wonder why they don't embrace you is rather self explanatory isn't it? what did you expect? Futhermore , and don't take this the wrong way , you'd be better off getting a good nights sleep to help you with the things you want to do rather than posting here in the early hours of the morning. Just a thought.

Thats a very good post SBOG (I can't type it out!) unless anyone has actually gone out with the books and gone to the meetings and seen it with their own eyes they can't know what goes on. Do three years like me and make the right noises and they let you in on all the dirty little secrets.

I did get an Xmas card from my upline, I suppose a phone call is on the cards in the spring then . I wonder what they'll offer this time to come back!

Morethanconcerned

PatrickD wrote: »

I am entitled to my opinion just as much as you or anyone else is. The difference between you and me, is that I have no problem with anyone else having a different opinion to me.

Pat

Your opinion however is pulled from the thinnest air possible, makes Martian atmosphere seem pea soupy!

You haven't done kleeneze, you might have looked into it for a week but unless you have done at least one or two periods and actually put out the books then frankly your opinion on the matter is as much worth on the matter as my elderly housebound neighbour.

What you seem to be confusing is opinion like we all have , like we all have heads , with *****INFORMED******* opinion from those that have done it.

In fact reading you many many many posts on the subject I'm reminded of the various *talks* that kleeneze like to inflict on people at meeting and seminars. Sitting there listening to someone going off about marketing and networking like they are a guru when 12 months before they did Kleeneze they were a bloody forklift truck driver! They read a few of the ridiculous self help and wealth guru books and suddenly they are experts.

The daft thing is they rarely have two pennies to rub together - the funniest incidence being a bod who mouth off about kleeneze on another forum but when finally nailed on money was crowing about getting 28K between him and his wife doing kleeneze full time. Thats BEFORE any expenses for a gold distributorship.

The daft plonker would have been better getting a job in Macdonalds, then at least he'd have walked out with more in his pocket.

Another clown working for nowt yet swallowing hook line and sinker.