Kleeneeze or Betterware?

PatrickD

Morethanconcerned wrote: »

People like you might lap up all the network marketing double talk, but those of us in the know can see right through it. Even now there are the odd dissenting voices popping up on facebook sites run by the big boys , pointing out uncomfortable home truths.

Only a very very gullible person would believe these FB sites hook line and sinker - either gullible , or a newbie - see what I did there? They want to sucker in new sign ups , it's in their best interests to to put the most positive spin they can and smother any dissent.

Likewise. Its in your interest to put out the most negative spin.

Pat

PatrickD

Morethanconcerned wrote: »

How does a cheap to make but very expensive to buy from wikaniko magnet clipped to a fuel pipe save the environment then? It's utter quackery aimed at the foolish and easily led. Nothing like this is fitted by any of the car manufacturers who would jump at the chance to make cars more economic to run.

This is a Kleeneze/Betterware thread, why are you off topic?

Pat

PatrickD

Morethanconcerned wrote: »

Your opinion however is pulled from the thinnest air possible, makes Martian atmosphere seem pea soupy!

You haven't done kleeneze, you might have looked into it for a week but unless you have done at least one or two periods and actually put out the books then frankly your opinion on the matter is as much worth on the matter as my elderly housebound neighbour.

What you seem to be confusing is opinion like we all have , like we all have heads , with *****INFORMED******* opinion from those that have done it.

In fact reading you many many many posts on the subject I'm reminded of the various *talks* that kleeneze like to inflict on people at meeting and seminars. Sitting there listening to someone going off about marketing and networking like they are a guru when 12 months before they did Kleeneze they were a bloody forklift truck driver! They read a few of the ridiculous self help and wealth guru books and suddenly they are experts.

The daft thing is they rarely have two pennies to rub together - the funniest incidence being a bod who mouth off about kleeneze on another forum but when finally nailed on money was crowing about getting 28K between him and his wife doing kleeneze full time. Thats BEFORE any expenses for a gold distributorship.

The daft plonker would have been better getting a job in Macdonalds, then at least he'd have walked out with more in his pocket.

Another clown working for nowt yet swallowing hook line and sinker.

What makes YOU an expert on Kleeneze?

Pat

Morethanconcerned

PatrickD wrote: »

This is a Kleeneze/Betterware thread, why are you off topic?

Pat

POT KETTLE etc etc - you've a cheek .

Still I've asked the same question in the right thread - toddle over and see if you can concoct some answer.

bloss0m

Patrick seems to like spending his time on here yet has a go at others when they do 1136

I dont know if he is deluding himself or trying to delude others into this failed scheme. He certainly spend most of his time on mse on this thread, it begs question why?

Morethanconcerned

PatrickD wrote: »

Likewise. Its in your interest to put out the most negative spin.

Pat

Care to explain HOW *I* would gain by this *negative* spin as you put it?

It's the statement of real home truths that they don't want people to know - they gain by it all being pictured as an easy way to make money and that it's all so easy. No reality can be shown or they'll never recruit anyone.

Of course being such an expert on MLM you'd know all this - they are like cults.

Morethanconcerned

PatrickD wrote: »

What makes YOU an expert on Kleeneze?

Pat

Over three years doing Kleeneze 7 days a week fully self employed on it. Catalogues and recruiting.

Your experience of Kleeneze is a week - so a big fat ZERO then

Morethanconcerned

MummyMummy wrote: »

i feel like the betterware/kleeneze/avon door to door type stuff has had its day.

that kind of selling was big many many years ago when the internet wasn't as popular and there didn't seem to be as much competition from supermarkets/bargain stores etc. these days though most people are savvy enough to know how to use the internet to find bargains (and the way we are bringing up our children they are only going to get better and better at using computers) and on top of that there are now several bargain/cheap shops in every town along side 'superstores'.

the percentage of people that can't get out/can't use the internet etc. are not going to be enough to cover the costs of the other catalogues that have been delivered that have just gone into someones bin after being dropped off surely?

it's no wonder people are making no money/loosing money when it comes to these types of businesses. the products are way over priced and they are not unique. you can get the same products from other places far cheaper (an example being my nan paid £5 for a roll of sticky gift tags from a door catalogue company, i went to b&m and got the same tags for 99p or £1!) people should use their common sense when choosing what they 'invest' their money in when it comes to business opportunities. would you buy from door catalogues? if not, why not? if you wont, are other people going to? as much as we like to think we are unique, we're really not.

Well thats the main problem now , none of the stuff is cheap and unique any more with the rise of bargain shops and the big supermarkets. Nothing in the books can't be found cheaper elsewhere. It's sold on being brought to the door but the extra cost means that of people have the means they can get it themselves, which means the mainstay of customers are the very old and the infirm.

After while you realise that quite frankly you are ripping off the old and the infirm, it gets hard to take the money of some old granny knowing that if she could walk the half mile to the shops she could get the stuff less than half the price.

Morethanconcerned

Jeanetteathome wrote: »

I see the top brass are making out how wonderful all is at Kleeneze towers by publishing how many people distributors have recruited over the last year. One distributorship has recruited 129 people, but if you look at their published results their points have risen from 46,000 to just 57,000 over the year, so 129 new people signed up have given them just a Gold level higher. They make a great fuss saying that people only need 10 people on their team to get to gold -here they needed 129 , imagine how many phone calls , how much petrol and time it took and for what?

Of course they don't want anyone to look too closely at the figures or point out the dichotomy between whats going on and whats said at meetings where the *circles* so beloved of kleeneze are still being drawn.

I saw that on FB too - imagine getting 129 people to sign up, how many must they have contacted to get that many? How much it must have cost - and for what?? as the figures point out 129 new people have only risen their business the equivalent of a Gold level. THIS of course doesn't include any that those below them might have recruited.

Yet for all that they STILL as you say use the *10 people recruited will take you to gold!* - plenty of links on the distributors websites linking to Youtube videos of the circles.

It should be a salutary lesson for all those tempted in this economic downturn with the offer of £200 - £2000 a month , few can make anything out of this now - not even the people right at the top with bags of money to throw at it.

Peter_Pan

Morethanconcerned wrote: »

How does a cheap to make but very expensive to buy from wikaniko magnet clipped to a fuel pipe save the environment then? It's utter quackery aimed at the foolish and easily led. Nothing like this is fitted by any of the car manufacturers who would jump at the chance to make cars more economic to run.

Okay guys and gals keep picking on the same few products that in your opinion are "quackery", there are over 850 products and growing, there are testimonials from people (distributors and customers) that say the products work and these people have done a before and after assessment. I can't say more than that as i haven't tried the product myself although with diesel prices on the increase its something we may consider ourselves and if we do will keep you all informed of the results.

If you have looked into Wikaniko yourselves you would see it reaches far deeper than just products to help the Planet, its the chemicals in everyday products and the cocktail we put on ourselves which concerns me and which people seem totally oblivious to, add that to the pesticides etc and growth hormones in the food we eat :eek:

Wikaniko is about one step at a time to living a more harmonious and sustainable lifestyle with the environment and i personally would add living together more harmoniously with each other as well. We have a Wikankook it section about feeding a family on a budget, organic growing newsletter about growing your own organic food as well as oodles of other resources to help everyone and guess what you don't have to be a distributor to gain access to them.

Debbie