Kleeneeze or Betterware?

Honest_John_666

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.One other point with Betterware is that for co-ordinators the contract was changed some time ago to making it clear that the co-ordinator was buying the product from the company and then selling on to the agents. Unfortunately for any co-ordinator with a turnover above the level where VAT registration is mandatory, there is a liability of 20% of profit, which Betterware has never been clear about. I understand that HMRC are now investigating this and will be pursuing back taxes over the past 10 years.[/QUOTE]

Just to follow up........... & still 150%TBC..........direct from a VAT contact I have..............

Betterware is liable for all VAT payments on all good supplied

20% is the distributor commision level paid

Coordiantor level is 11.2% of gross sales = 14% net

Coordinator doing books is 31.2%.........no cash outlay.......safe guarded area..........bonuses...........& record sales last week
:cool:


For the Coordinator to become VAT registered they would have to earn profit of £73K. I would hazard a guess then they would need to earn well over £2K per week IMO :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

I think I'm right so I've NO IDEA spend2save where you've heard that. You been working for Kleeneze??? :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Regards
John

Morethanconcerned

YeLwOrF wrote: »

My up line never insisted 200 cats twice a week. He just advised me to do whatever I could. He constantly reminded me that Kleeneze would work round me. He also insisted that I would have to keep record of my effort and use the results of the records to plan my next drop. Using records to plan my next drop has reduces catalogue loss to 1%. Also going for NO has resulted in me now getting on average £5 a catalogue. I have never owned more than 200 catalogues at one time. I regularly order the order forms from kleeneze I always run out before buying a new box of cats which this year I have only purchased eight income kits.
Note. Kleeneze has never suggested 200 cats twice a week; this is the majority of up lines to get better bonuses. My time scale only allows me 10hours a week for kleeneze.
Kleeneze suggests that you put out 1000 cats a month, that’s only 36 cats a day.
Your up line is supposed to help you if they don’t contact their up line.

Typical Kleeneze post there, firstly lets look at the 200 books thing. If you'd taken the time to look it up you'll see that 200 books a week is the *norm* put about by most of the big distributors recruiting online right now. Big achievement bronzes with big teams. It's seen as the basis for a *good* income and is by far the most often quoted for how long it takes and how much people can earn. Two mins on google will confirm this.

I did laugh long and hard about the idea Kleeneze would work around you - given the bonus level system, the ordering system too if you are taking 2 weeks to get together enough orders to put in one order to avoid a hefty delivery charge then your customers are going to be waiting weeks for things , plus your upline will be tearing their haor out if they are hanging onto gold by a few points.

Where this thing about 36 books comes from is a new one , though I had been aware of some people pushing the idea of a few books here and there, imagine the hassle of driving round for that few, it costs more in fuel and time in the long run (of course £50 says the poster comes back with it's all done on foot - the classic kleeneze thing)

As to £5 a book - well done you got a good order , come back when it's the same every 4 -5 weeks for months and years. I have put out 750 books and got £1600 in orders with another £200 from stragglers. The next time I did the same run with the same area I got £450 - but funnily enough the expenses cost the same , the fuel, the time the bags, the day slips etc etc.

As to book losses - 1% - you will fall to the floor when you add up over a whole month , not just after a few drops. Good luck with the 10 hours a week too - try keeping better records you'll put hours on that for sure.

Even the big guns at the top of the heap are arguing on FB about not making money , the garden seems very rosy at first, it did to me , but with careful record keeping I could see it failing and got out when I could. Damn good job too, findel is in free fall being bounced around by penny traders on the stock market. When they move on this is toast, it'll be binned while they keep the more profitable education supply businesses.

Morethanconcerned

niftyone wrote: »

What exactly is " Going For No " ?

probably the latest quacky quote form one of the yapping uplines. Until the next one comes along. Like the classic **It's the best time ever to join**

Silly me I must have joined at the wrong *best time to join*

Morethanconcerned

Honest_John_666 wrote: »

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.One other point with Betterware is that for co-ordinators the contract was changed some time ago to making it clear that the co-ordinator was buying the product from the company and then selling on to the agents. Unfortunately for any co-ordinator with a turnover above the level where VAT registration is mandatory, there is a liability of 20% of profit, which Betterware has never been clear about. I understand that HMRC are now investigating this and will be pursuing back taxes over the past 10 years.

Just to follow up........... & still 150%TBC..........direct from a VAT contact I have..............

Betterware is liable for all VAT payments on all good supplied

20% is the distributor commision level paid

Coordiantor level is 11.2% of gross sales = 14% net

Coordinator doing books is 31.2%.........no cash outlay.......safe guarded area..........bonuses...........& record sales last week
:cool:


For the Coordinator to become VAT registered they would have to earn profit of £73K. I would hazard a guess then they would need to earn well over £2K per week IMO :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

I think I'm right so I've NO IDEA spend2save where you've heard that. You been working for Kleeneze??? :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Regards
John[/QUOTE]

Betterware is OK unless they give the person the duff areas - I used to see a regular Betterware lady and she did OK but there were other areas where you never ever saw the same person twice. There are areas they can't get anyone to do as no one buys anything.

Morethanconcerned

wongawonga wrote: »

Recent post on a major Kleeneze Distributors Facebook page by an active Kleeneze distributor

"Try making real money in Kleeneze without a team xxxxx. We were told to build a customer base and tell our story based on the facts and our own experience. The story is yes we have some nice customers, we have met some really nice people an...d the products are excellent but it is extremely difficult to make progreess and even break even. This is possibly because like Amway uplines (who also were DSA members) build up hopes and give people unrealistic expectations. No one said at the outset that leads need to be purchased. We were told 3 foot rule people and bobs your uncle people will join in. My xxxxx is out delivering to customers at this very moment but the harsh fact is that Kleeneze, DSA and its leaders need to take a look at the attrition and retention rates. When I say this I am on your side xxxxx but the dvd is certainly not representative of our experience."

It gets better on another FB page they are arguing with the guy who was binned by Kleeneze for going with another MLM

*****For sure you have done well Steve in the Kleeneze context as did we, but after so long and so much effort to keep building and maintaining it did not deliver us the income we first saw from the mlm dream. We are on course to at least double, or poss treble our last 12 months income after 17 years in our first 12 months of our new venture with far fewer expenses, ie. no advertising for leads or retail tools. As soon as I saw it it was a no brainer. Kleeneze retail has always worked well but I ended up being a direct sales recruiter(now also party plan again I see) and now I am actually networking in a home based business among a higher calibre of folks which is far more enjoyable I can tell you!!.*****


They won't keep that up for very long - can't have folk rocking boat!

Jeanetteathome

Morethanconcerned wrote: »

It gets better on another FB page they are arguing with the guy who was binned by Kleeneze for going with another MLM

*****For sure you have done well Steve in the Kleeneze context as did we, but after so long and so much effort to keep building and maintaining it did not deliver us the income we first saw from the mlm dream. We are on course to at least double, or poss treble our last 12 months income after 17 years in our first 12 months of our new venture with far fewer expenses, ie. no advertising for leads or retail tools. As soon as I saw it it was a no brainer. Kleeneze retail has always worked well but I ended up being a direct sales recruiter(now also party plan again I see) and now I am actually networking in a home based business among a higher calibre of folks which is far more enjoyable I can tell you!!.*****


They won't keep that up for very long - can't have folk rocking boat!

Some very funny stuff on FB recently from various top kleeneze bods, they can't take any criticism at all can they. Often I wonder why anyone bothers with kleeneze on FB - all it is is people wittering on saying how good it it, no real debate no discussion at all.

One recently on Gavins - just one line

need a part time job under 16 hours till 9am till 2pm xxx

Nothing else on her facebook at all - just singed up to make that one post. You wouldn't mind but given most folk work and won't be in till evening she stands no chance - if she exists at all!

Jeanetteathome

Honest_John_666 wrote: »

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.One other point with Betterware is that for co-ordinators the contract was changed some time ago to making it clear that the co-ordinator was buying the product from the company and then selling on to the agents. Unfortunately for any co-ordinator with a turnover above the level where VAT registration is mandatory, there is a liability of 20% of profit, which Betterware has never been clear about. I understand that HMRC are now investigating this and will be pursuing back taxes over the past 10 years.

Just to follow up........... & still 150%TBC..........direct from a VAT contact I have..............

Betterware is liable for all VAT payments on all good supplied

20% is the distributor commision level paid

Coordiantor level is 11.2% of gross sales = 14% net

Coordinator doing books is 31.2%.........no cash outlay.......safe guarded area..........bonuses...........& record sales last week
:cool:


For the Coordinator to become VAT registered they would have to earn profit of £73K. I would hazard a guess then they would need to earn well over £2K per week IMO :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

I think I'm right so I've NO IDEA spend2save where you've heard that. You been working for Kleeneze??? :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Regards
John[/QUOTE]

Always felt sorry for the Betterware people , they couldn't change their areas and often they got no orders at all. If I had a rubbish area I wouldn't bother after 4 drops but they had to just keep going. Rarely saw the same person twice.

wongawonga

Kleeneze H/O have been seeking good get out of debt stories frpom distributors on how the opportunity has helped them get out of debt.Response has been very poor.

wongawonga

Kleeneze are apparently threatenening to terminate senior peoples joint distributorship,s agreement,s if one of the partners wishes to resign to join another opportunity eg Avon. How restrictive is that.

See : http://www.squidoo.com/why-kleeneze-can-make-you-cry

Looks like they dont what there people to see how much better things might be elsewhere.

JennyJewell

Hello
Please don't start shouting at me for putting anything positive on here - I am not trying to recruit, just pleased and giving peeps an update and a look on the other side of the coin
I have now been back in Kleeneze for just over two weeks and have brought in over £800 sales in that time I have worked hard but it's been worth it and much appreciated by my family Between two thirds- three quarters of those sales have been non xmas or consumable products and my customers are very happy to see my return
Suffice to say I am a very happy woman
Good luck to all in your ventures,
Jenny