Am I missing something? Getting a job is easy!!

tabskitten

poet123 wrote: »

The grasp of the trueism that is "there but for the grace of God?";)

( from someone who has never ever claimed any benefit.....to counteract the above comments!)

eloquently put.

(For those on JSA I know about 12 establishments that require kitchen porters, Min wage and meal on duty provided, no experience nec.)

p00hsticks

tabskitten wrote: »

So am I missing something? Why does JSA exist again?!?

I'd be interested to know your age range - I suspect under 55 ?

Oldernotwiser

onlyforboards wrote: »

I suspect it has something to do with you living under 20 miles from Central Manchester.
Considering the lack of comprehension you exhibit regarding the economic situation of the rest of the country I can only assume there are a huge abundance of jobs in your region that even you get employed so quickly.

Where I live I have friends with postgraduate degrees approaching their first year of unemployment. They apply for absolutely anything and do work part time hours (some 50 miles from home!) but full time is very hard to come by.

I wouldn't have thought of Manchester as being a particularly affluent part of the country but I am surprised how many childless single people won't consider relocating if they live in an area where job hunting is very difficult. I do feel that this is one of the reasons that some people struggle so much.

magic57

tabskitten wrote: »

Ok, so my own business is doing as well as can be expected in the reciession but i decided for some extra income to get a extra job.

Started seaching Thurs morning, had a few interviews yesterday, start work first thing Monday..........

So am I missing something? Why does JSA exist again?!?

Lucky old you. There are plenty of people who are trying really hard to find work who are not finding it easy. I know of three people who have lost their jobs in the recession and are desperate to find work. And no they are not being picky.Surving on JSA is not a choice they have made.

Perhaps a little humility and understanding are what you are missing.

ceridwen

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

I wouldn't have thought of Manchester as being a particularly affluent part of the country but I am surprised how many childless single people won't consider relocating if they live in an area where job hunting is very difficult. I do feel that this is one of the reasons that some people struggle so much.

Some reasons off the top of my head:

- In a public sector tenancy in a "better" estate and cant get a transfer to an equivalent area elsewhere.

- In their own home - and all the expense and hassle involved to move from there (something that most homeowners would only contemplate if they were moving to a better house and/or area anyway - and maybe they dont have the money available to fund selling their house and "upping sticks" to a different home).

- Got relatives living nearby

- Living in a nice part of the country

- Got good friends nearby and they arent such an outgoing person that they would be able to quickly make a "replacement" set of friends

- Not far from retirement anyway

I'm sure there are a lot more reasons - but those instantly came to mind.= - quite apart from the fact of very few people would be prepared to "up sticks" anyway for the sake of a very "standard" type job with "standard" or low pay...

I've only ever known people to move across country personally because they have a decent and reasonably-paid "career" type job or they have followed someone they are having a serious relationship with. The rest of us certainly are highly unlikely to ever.

Oldernotwiser

ceridwen wrote: »

Some reasons off the top of my head:

- In a public sector tenancy in a "better" estate and cant get a transfer to an equivalent area elsewhere.

- In their own home - and all the expense and hassle involved to move from there (something that most homeowners would only contemplate if they were moving to a better house and/or area anyway - and maybe they dont have the money available to fund selling their house and "upping sticks" to a different home).

- Got relatives living nearby

- Living in a nice part of the country

- Got good friends nearby and they arent such an outgoing person that they would be able to quickly make a "replacement" set of friends

- Not far from retirement anyway

I'm sure there are a lot more reasons - but those instantly came to mind.= - quite apart from the fact of very few people would be prepared to "up sticks" anyway for the sake of a very "standard" type job with "standard" or low pay...

I've only ever known people to move across country personally because they have a decent and reasonably-paid "career" type job or they have followed someone they are having a serious relationship with. The rest of us certainly are highly unlikely to ever.

To me, very few of the things that you've listed seem like good reasons, quite apart from the unlikely possibility of a single childless person having social housing in a nice area! In fact, the need to be near aging relations or being close to retirement would be about the only things you've mentioned that seem reasonable to me.

Your thoughts on the subject only serve to emphasise why some people find it difficult to find work whereas others have no problems. To stay living on benefits just because you live in a nice area or don't want to move away from friends strikes me as frankly pathetic and I have little sympathy with someone who can't find a job because these things are more important to them than the self respect of earning your own living.

ceridwen

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

To me, very few of the things that you've listed seem like good reasons, quite apart from the unlikely possibility of a single childless person having social housing in a nice area! In fact, the need to be near aging relations or being close to retirement would be about the only things you've mentioned that seem reasonable to me.

Your thoughts on the subject only serve to emphasise why some people find it difficult to find work whereas others have no problems. To stay living on benefits just because you live in a nice area or don't want to move away from friends strikes me as frankly pathetic and I have little sympathy with someone who can't find a job because these things are more important to them than the self respect of earning your own living.

Suit yourself.

If you personally are prepared to move across country for a job - fine - do so. But it is not reasonable to expect other people to make a particular choice - just because you would.

Perhaps you have a useful suggestion as to where the money would come from to cover the cost of removal expenses? Further - how householders would cover the cost of selling house A/moving to house B/costs of buying house B/costs of getting house B up to the standard they had achieved with house A - because I certainly doubt they would have much (if any) change from £10,000 if they did so
.......or are they supposed to go in debt to cover the cost of a move?

I would be interested to know also just what proportion of people in work achieve a sense of self-respect from doing their job and also couldnt achieve that same self-respect some other way?
(as personally - I have a job and have worked for the majority of the time since leaving school many years ago and have never yet had any feeling of self-respect just from doing a job for my money). I have, however, got the feeling of self-respect from other things I do with my time.

Most of us do a job because we have to - end of.

Oldernotwiser

ceridwen wrote: »

Suit yourself.

If you personally are prepared to move across country for a job - fine - do so. But it is not reasonable to expect other people to make a particular choice - just because you would.

Perhaps you have a useful suggestion as to where the money would come from to cover the cost of removal expenses? Further - how householders would cover the cost of selling house A/moving to house B/costs of buying house B/costs of getting house B up to the standard they had achieved with house A - because I certainly doubt they would have much (if any) change from £10,000 if they did so
.......or are they supposed to go in debt to cover the cost of a move?

I would be interested to know also just what proportion of people in work achieve a sense of self-respect from doing their job and also couldnt achieve that same self-respect some other way?
(as personally - I have a job and have worked for the majority of the time since leaving school many years ago and have never yet had any feeling of self-respect just from doing a job for my money). I have, however, got the feeling of self-respect from other things I do with my time.

Most of us do a job because we have to - end of.

If you've never been unemployed then you may not realise how demoralising people find the situation. However fulfilling your life may be in your personal and leisure life, it's unlikely to balance out with knowing that you aren't independent and are reliant on the state for every penny, quite apart from the fact that a single childless person is going to have precious little money to live this fulfilling life if s/he's on the dole!

Although I don't really think that people should be forced to move to find work I do think that they do lose the right to complain about how difficult things are if they're not prepared to do something about it.

By the way, going into debt to fund a move would be a far better solution for many people than wasting years of their life managing on 64.50 per week and getting into debt (as so many do) for that reason. Many people would look at it as an investment in their future.

ceridwen

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

If you've never been unemployed then you may not realise how demoralising people find the situation. However fulfilling your life may be in your personal and leisure life, it's unlikely to balance out with knowing that you aren't independent and are reliant on the state for every penny, quite apart from the fact that a single childless person is going to have precious little money to live this fulfilling life if s/he's on the dole!

Although I don't really think that people should be forced to move to find work I do think that they do lose the right to complain about how difficult things are if they're not prepared to do something about it.

By the way, going into debt to fund a move would be a far better solution for many people than wasting years of their life managing on 64.50 per week and getting into debt (as so many do) for that reason. Many people would look at it as an investment in their future.

Ah...but I HAVE been unemployed - more than once....so I know EXACTLY what it feels like to be in that position. Personally - I didnt feel at all demoralised. Angry - definitely. Worried about money - definitely. Demoralised - why would I feel like that? It wasnt my fault - so not appropriate to feel demoralised.

Going into debt for a move for a POSSIBLE job. Then - who picks up the pieces when they've gone into all that debt and STILL cant get a job? Also - how do they find a job that not only pays a reasonable amount - but also pays sufficient extra on top of that to cover those debt repayments?

We don't all have highflying careers - and its just a question of "make sure you are in the right part of the country and you're sorted". I doubt many people have jobs like that in fact.

onlyforboards_2

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

I wouldn't have thought of Manchester as being a particularly affluent part of the country but I am surprised how many childless single people won't consider relocating if they live in an area where job hunting is very difficult. I do feel that this is one of the reasons that some people struggle so much.

Doesn't have to be affluent to keep people employed, being a city is enough; lots of services requiring lots of staff.

Most of the unemployed childless people I know have relocated countless times, that is those who have had the chance to build up savings.

Moving is impossible without having put something by. Working part-time to full -time off and on with bouts of total unemployment, like lots of people have to then makes it very difficult to save. Credit isn't easy to come by either for the unemployed, unless you are talking about huge interest loans which soon spiral into suicidal situations if you do not pay them off quickly.

I agree though ONW you really do have to be willing to move if possible.

I am not sure how much people on this board understand the employment situation for large sections of this country though.