Am I missing something? Getting a job is easy!!

ceridwen

onlyforboards wrote: »

Most of the unemployed childless people I know have relocated countless times, that is those who have had the chance to build up savings.



I agree though ONW you really do have to be willing to move if possible.

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I am finding it difficult to reconcile those two statements in one post <confused smilie>.

- ie they relocate and are made redundant or cant get a job in the first place - so they relocate again and the same thing happens - so they relocate again.....

I've got visions of them endlessly "chasing their tails" - trying to find a "keeper" of a job....not something I would wish on anyone:(

At a very basic level - pretty much the only people who can manage to move profitably (apart from the highflyer careerists) are those who are living in private rented accommodation and have so few possessions to take with them that they can pile them in the back of a car. Only the very youngest are likely to be in that position.

One thought instantly struck me too "Ah:eek: - another reason for people having children they dont actually want" (besides the old chestnut "To get a Council flat and an unquestioned income") - ie if one told any unemployed person "You are expected to move because you are single and childless" - then I'm guessing a lot of them would make sure they werent "childless" for long in order not to get pressurised into moving.......:cool:

dave4545454

thank goodness for people like ceridwen who actually talk some sense on here

ceridwen

dave4545454 wrote: »

thank goodness for people like ceridwen who actually talk some sense on here

Very sensible me:D:rotfl:

My head may be looking at the clouds - but feet very firmly on the ground:D

poet123

I think it is less dependent upon being single and childless than age, and being set in your ways.

My son and his friends graduate this year, and all of them are willing to move wherever the job market demands. He is going to Dorset on placement for 8 weeks, then hoping to get on a Grad scheme either in Edinburgh or Basildon, and we live in the North. Many of his friends are off to the four corners of the globe to get jobs, but give them 20 years and let them get settled and things may be different.

dave4545454

well you get very deluded benefit basher people like oldernotwiser (very suitably named) who expects the unemployed to move hundreds of miles for that elusive min wage job that'll probably be made redundant after a period.

there should be jobs in EVERY part of the country no matter where you live.


the facts are that there are 6 million+ unemployed adults and only 0.5 million jobs available. it is impossible to expect full employment or anywhere close with those figures.

poet123

dave4545454 wrote: »

well you get very deluded benefit basher people like oldernotwiser (very suitably named) who expects the unemployed to move hundreds of miles for that elusive min wage job that'll probably be made redundant after a period.

there should be jobs in EVERY part of the country no matter where you live.


the facts are that there are 6 million+ unemployed adults and only 0.5 million jobs available. it is impossible to expect full employment or anywhere close with those figures.

I think that is a tad unfair, from the posts by ONW I take that they are a advocate of single, childless people being mobile, rather than stagnating in an area where job opportunities are slim. If I was in that postion I would move to wherever the jobs in my field were, or retrain if my field had no opportunities.

If you have no ties, why wouldnt you give it a go? if you are a homeowner rent out your flat/house and rent elsewhere, or if you rent what is the difference where that rent is paid? What is the worst that can happen? it doesn't pan out and you return "home" or move on, fear of the unknown is what holds us back.

My kids know that wherever they go, they can always cone back, but equally if they never try they will never know. Only this afternoon I was on the webcam talking to a friend of my eldest son's, he is in Korea teaching English, he went out there and made it happen for himself, rather than sit at home waiting for life to knock on his door. As I said, this may bethe bravado of youth, but I hope it is more about how you view life, and how brave and forward looking you are.

So, I am with ONW here, if you have tried and failed to find a local job, at least think about moving. Saying that there should be local jobs doesnt make it so, and if you would rather sit at home on benefits then I don't think that is a good thing.

ceridwen

poet123 wrote: »

I think that is a tad unfair, from the posts by ONW I take that they are a advocate of single, childless people being mobile, rather than stagnating in an area where job opportunities are slim. If I was in that postion I would move to wherever the jobs in my field were, or retrain if my field had no opportunities.

If you have no ties, why wouldnt you give it a go? if you are a homeowner rent out your flat/house and rent elsewhere, or if you rent what is the difference where that rent is paid? What is the worst that can happen? it doesn't pan out and you return "home" or move on, fear of the unknown is what holds us back.

My kids know that wherever they go, they can always cone back, but equally if they never try they will never know. Only this afternoon I was on the webcam talking to a friend of my eldest son's, he is in Korea teaching English, he went out there and made it happen for himself, rather than sit at home waiting for life to knock on his door. As I said, this may bethe bravado of youth, but I hope it is more about how you view life, and how brave and forward looking you are.

"Brave and forward looking" or - older and more cynical.

If your house has only recently been bought by you and you've not "made a home of it" or spent any money on it to speak of it - then you are freer to let it out (but still a worry about what tenants might be like..).

The thought of letting my home out now would give me sleepless nights - wondering just how many stains they would get on my new carpets/how much they would wreck the wallpaper/what damage they would do to my kitchen equipment/etc/etc......voice of experience (both my own and other peoples). I'd go greyhaired at the thought of how high the chance was that I'd have to chase after former tenants to pay for thousands of £s worth of damage - and never manage to get much (if any) of what they owed me...:eek:

Perhaps anyone who buys a home should only get cheapest possible secondhand furniture and not do a scrap of work to the house - just in case the need comes to "up sticks and move" for the sake of a job? That actually is a serious comment - wondering whether people really should just "leave the house in a state" when they buy it ...just in case...

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Actually - I took the posts by ONW as meaning that even older/more settled people should be prepared to move across country chasing jobs...

I can certainly understand those who are just "starting out" in life and havent yet established a "home area" or bought property being more mobile - at that age I was myself (by choice).

poet123

ceridwen wrote: »

"Brave and forward looking" or - older and more cynical
Actually - I took the posts by ONW as meaning that even older/more settled people should be prepared to move across country chasing jobs.

Maybe that is what she meant, a colleague of my OH has recently decided to relocate to Dorset, leaving kids in uni, selling their home of 23 years, to take up a new job. he has doubts, but he is doing it. Taking a chance is, or can be, an exhilarating life change if approached with the right mindset.

beccam

I think moving to find employment clearly depends on many circumstances.

If you are married and your partner has work (like it was in my case) then you can't afford to move for that person to leave a job and possibly end up both unemployed.

If you have bought a house and are now in negative equity then renting it out will not cover mortgage payments and selling isn't an option.

I totally agree with young/single/unattached/unemployed people moving to find work or take a job especially when they usually have the "fall back" of returning home to mum and dad if all goes wrong.

I would also be for anyone moving (if they felt it right) to gain a better job than they could in their current location.
For example my very good friend will soon be leaving Northern Ireland to move to Scotland as her husband has been offered a job which is just too good for them to turn down, it pays more than both of their current salaries, means that for now she can be a SAHM to their 4yr old and 8mth old boys, my sister and her husband did the reverse move from Scotland back to NI for the same reasons.

However for some it is simply not an option to say "move and find work", especially if that work is not guaranteed.

tabskitten

Just for the purpose of the argument i wanted to add that althrough I live 20 mins from Manchester the job i have taken is 20mins in the other direction (into dark depths of Lancashire) Darwin actually, not exactly a thriving place but still seems to be a shortage of people who are willing to do something other than claim JSA.
Well I guess that I should be pleased really that there are so many job shy people in this country as it means i will never be struck to find work!!