River Island

shinkyshonky

Kimberley wrote:

What makes me sad and bitter?

Eh...?

now you got me confused....kimberley

I was posting in reference to the below ...apols not your post

why is it other people are so quick to pass comment we all do things differently! Thank heavens im on the tail end of totty training!!!!!!!!!


The truth hurts eh?. I hope you rue the day when your beloved little angel turns into a total brat. It's parents like you who are to blame for the "chavs" and the general scum that pollute the neighbourhoods.

All because mummy ran after baby too much, and let them away with murder. Think about it. (like you will)

grex9101 Oh you are so bitter ....will the demons not go away...........?

Kimberley

shinkyshonky wrote:

Eh...?

now you got me confused....kimberley

I was posting in reference to the below ...apols not your post

Oops ok

tigertiger_3

shinkyshonky wrote:

As a parent tigertiger reading through these posts I cannot believe how many people are sad and bitter

I understand where you are coming from....some people just don`t get it

Thanks shinkyshonky .....someone who does understand the joys of parenthood!

tigertiger_3

grex9101 wrote:

The truth hurts eh?. I hope you rue the day when your beloved little angel turns into a total brat. It's parents like you who are to blame for the "chavs" and the general scum that pollute the neighbourhoods.

All because mummy ran after baby too much, and let them away with murder. Think about it. (like you will)

My child is not an angel ...he is in the process of being taught and nutured into being a caring, thoughtful, well balanced, educated little fella just like his siblings.....which gives us parents great satisfaction ( its what parenting is all about duh)....obviously you were not given this advantage as a child. As for blaming people like me for "chavs"........you make me laugh do you realise how pathetic you sound!......I am so proud of my children as are my parents are of me.

May I also add that if you want to continue "parent bashing" then the discussion board would be more appropriate.... I will look for it under "parenting tips by grex9101" eh

wrexhamandy

When I was a sales assistant in a shop our manager said the usual 'don't let customers use the toilet because insurance doesn't cover it etc etc'. Many times though I just ignored him if a kid clearly needed to go.

The risk of a a box falling down exactly as the kid passes and hitting him followed by a claim...next to nothing.
The risk of the parent getting really frustrated and having a lower view of that member of staff and the whole shop...everytime.

It's the people not policy, you can have 'independent thought'.

Andy

Quackers

wrexhamandy wrote:

When I was a sales assistant in a shop our manager said the usual 'don't let customers use the toilet because insurance doesn't cover it etc etc'. Many times though I just ignored him if a kid clearly needed to go.

The risk of a a box falling down exactly as the kid passes and hitting him followed by a claim...next to nothing.
The risk of the parent getting really frustrated and having a lower view of that member of staff and the whole shop...everytime.

It's the people not policy, you can have 'independent thought'.

Andy

If you'd have worked in my shop you wouldn't have lasted long 'just ignoring him' and letting a kid use the toilet who then falls down the stairs on the way - so then the parents sue your manager/company for letting it happen. Naah, discipliary procedure for you young man - you are the risk for not following the rules!

What about when the shop is really busy and a member of staff has to escort parent and child to the toilets which prevents 3 -4 other customers getting seved and they have to hang about waiting. 1 happy customer and 3 or 4 unhappy ones. I know what I'd prefer in my store.

Shopping centres have public toilets.

Some M & S stores have public toilets.

Some Mothercare's have public toilets.

MacDonalds have public toilets.

Most cafe's & pubs have public toilets.

Most larger dept stores have public toilets - Debenhams etc.

Large stores with restaurants (like BHS etc) have public toilets.

Most indoor markets have public toilets.

Surely its possible to locate a public toilet in most town centres?

I have got independant thought - I just respect the company I work for and its policies as I understand why they are there.

wrexhamandy

Quackers wrote:

If you'd have worked in my shop you wouldn't have lasted long 'just ignoring him' and letting a kid use the toilet who then falls down the stairs on the way - so then the parents sue your manager/company for letting it happen. Naah, discipliary procedure for you young man - you are the risk for not following the rules!

What about when the shop is really busy and a member of staff has to escort parent and child to the toilets which prevents 3 -4 other customers getting seved and they have to hang about waiting. 1 happy customer and 3 or 4 unhappy ones. I know what I'd prefer in my store.

Shopping centres have public toilets.

Some M & S stores have public toilets.

Some Mothercare's have public toilets.

MacDonalds have public toilets.

Most cafe's & pubs have public toilets.

Most larger dept stores have public toilets - Debenhams etc.

Large stores with restaurants (like BHS etc) have public toilets.

Most indoor markets have public toilets.

Surely its possible to locate a public toilet in most town centres?

I have got independant thought - I just respect the company I work for and its policies as I understand why they are there.

Yeah I kinda did get told off a lot, but it's not often that you can go out of your way and beyond what's expected and even allowed to help someone. And on something like £3.40p/h with no appreciation or respect it's the little things like that, when the customer could see that and be genuinely thankful for it, that kept me going. Well, that and the staff discount.:rolleyes:

And again, the likelihood of the kid falling down the stairs (especially in my one-floor shop hehe!) it's just silly, and that's what the policy is based on - silly paranoia and legal misunderstanding. There is such a thing as contributory negligence in occupier's liability, and if the accident happens because of boxes falling down or things to trip over on the stairs, then that shouldn't happen anyway as staff can get hurt too.

Right I say..........every council should be required to ensure that there is a public toilet available for every 500m or so in a town centre - clearly sign-posted, with kids changing and disability facilities, and of course free.

Give me a yay if you're with me

morveryn

Quackers wrote:

Shopping centres have public toilets.

Some M & S stores have public toilets.

Some Mothercare's have public toilets.

MacDonalds have public toilets.

Most cafe's & pubs have public toilets.

Most larger dept stores have public toilets - Debenhams etc.

Large stores with restaurants (like BHS etc) have public toilets.

Most indoor markets have public toilets.

Surely its possible to locate a public toilet in most town centres?

My small town does not have a shopping centre, M&S or Mothercare. There is a tiny MacDonalds on the outskirts but not in the town centre. Cafes & pubs more often than not will not allow you to use their toilets unless you are a customer. Either that or the toilets are upstairs (I am disabled). We have no indoor market and there is one small block of public toilets at the far end of town so if you need to shop at the other end you are stuck really.
Yes, my town council is rubbish

WestieFan

I am not surprised at some of the posts on here. The attitude to children in this country is absolutely appalling, where they are seen not as little individuals but just as a ****** nuisance.

With the best will in the world, all the forward planning in the world can be futile, as children are very unpredictable especially with toileting. I remember the problems well, from when my own two were small. It's the selfish 'I am more important' attitude of grown adults that amazes me. So what if you have to wait a minute or two longer in a queue because a member of staff escorts a small child to the toilet? Is it such a big deal? And if you get annoyed and start complaining, is this not comparable to a child throwing a tantrum?

Small children should be allowed their dignity too. Having to lug a potty around and have a child sit on it in the street is not ideal. Would YOU do it?
Somebody said boys are easier, well my son refused point blank to 'go' outside and would be very distressed by the time we found a public/shop toilet. A grown man would be arrested and fined for doing the same thing.

I have also been refused entry to restaurants because the buggy was a "fire hazard".

Having been abroad for the first time recently, I was very pleasantly surprised at attitudes to children. The young children I saw in restaurants and cafes were well-behaved, probably as they weren't picking up the 'hostile vibes' from staff and other customers.

Is it any wonder we have children growing into 'chavs' and worse, as from an early age they are given the impression they are nothing but pests.

Rules are rules, but let common sense prevail. As adults, we should ALL be looking out for the children. And whoever said that YOUR life was more important than anybody elses?

morveryn

Very well said Westiefan