River Island

shinkyshonky

VeryTrying wrote:

This was how long ago? Twelve or thirteen years? And you still feel the need to complain about it?

Things have changed a lot since the early nineties - sometimes for the better, sometimes not. Things are certainly better (but nowhere near good enough) for wheelchair access, but try as mummies might, they can't be given equal status with more serious and certainly more permanent needs. Many mummies need a sense of proportion and to stop trying to equate their position with disabled people. It's just another manifestation of their selfishness - using other people in an attempt to gain yet more special treatment.

So you were never a child then ...

WestieFan

VeryTrying

I did not complain then and I am not complaining now. I was merely relating my experiences.

Yes times have changed but many attitudes, sadly, have not.

I did not or would not expect equal status as someone with more serious needs. I again was merely trying to point out the poor treatment that is sometimes dished out to people.

The intention of my first post was to support the OP and put my point of view across. Your attacks are becoming quite tiresome, as well as presumptious, sarcastic and almost abusive. I am not prepared to put up with that just for offering an opinion, so I will leave you to have the last word, as I am sure you will.

liberty23

Epiphone wrote:

It was Superman and POTC. Hardly kids films.

Umm I think you'll find that BOTH Superman & Pirates of the Caribbean are kids films. You can tell this by the fact they are both rated 12A, also POTC is made by Disney and Superman is based on a comic book. That might have given you a clue. Moral of the story is....if you go to see kids films, expect kids to be there.

This forum is for people to offer help, support, advice and share their problems with people, it is NOT a place to 'slag' people off just because they happen to live their lives in a different manner from you. You obviously don't have kids and therefore cannot begin to appreciate all the hassels parents have to go through. You might think kids are annoying and I imagine many parents would agree with you, but that doesn't give you the right to make sweeping statements about 'how parents aren't raising their kids rights'. The harsh fact is that kids are and will always be unpredictable and uncontrollable and no matter how well organised a parent is with toilet breaks etc...kids will always find a way to circumvent the best laid plans. I think the best advice I can give to you is the same my mother gave to me...If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all!!!

I own a small shop and on several occasions a small child with its parent/s has suddenly piped up with 'I need a wee'. I see the panick on the parents faces cos we both know kids have the bladder capacity of a peanut. I am happy to let kids use my loo, even after one incident had one little boy leave the tap in the basin on with the plug in, which proceeded to flood my whole toilet :rolleyes: . I just thought 'Oh dear...at least he washed his hands.' :rotfl: . Large department stores could easily solve their issues with being sued by putting up a sign saying 'customers use toilet at own risk' .

Epiphone

liberty23 wrote:

Epiphone wrote:

Umm I think you'll find that BOTH Superman & Pirates of the Caribbean are kids films. You can tell this by the fact they are both rated 12A, also POTC is made by Disney and Superman is based on a comic book. That might have given you a clue. Moral of the story is....if you go to see kids films, expect kids to be there.

Sigh. You obviously don't have a clue do you. From the BBFC:

No-one younger than 12 may see a '12A' film in a cinema unless accompanied by an adult.

This new certificate replaced the 12 certificate in cinemas and allows parents to allow children to view these films when properly supervised. It is only given to theatrical releases, these films will generally be given a 12 certificate upon release as a Video

Films are rated for sound aswell as picture content. Small children's ears aren't meant for explosions etc. To use POTC 2 as an exaple the opening few minutes show a crow pecking the eyeballs of a corpse. You think that's OK for small children?

before_hollywood

VeryTrying wrote:

If you had bothered to read through this thread you will see that over a week ago I posted how I managed under similar circumstances to the OP. But the difference between us was that I managed by myself and didn't expect others to put their jobs at risk for my sake. This post wasn't constructive or informative enough for you?

Obviously the only posts you want to see are those that unreservedly agree with you. It's easy to claim that posts are anti-family and anti-children when actually they are just anti-selfish-mummy. But there are some people who are just so blinkered and so convinced that the world owes them and their children, that they will never take the time to understand other viewpoints. The unfortunate thing about this attitude is that their children absorb such behaviour and grow up equally self-centred. A little more tolerance and less selfishness on the part of these mummies would no doubt mean that they got a lot more help, and less grudgingly too!

wow, this thread just keeps on getting bigger.
i used to moderate on a child-free forum, in the end i couldn't manage it alongside other commitments in my life, but during my time there something astounded me.
We were often visited by parents of all ages, and there were two types:
1. Parents of older children (teenagers and adults), who believed that the current situation is getting out of control. They respected that we were entitled to our views and contributed regularly to our discussions on childfree and non childfree areas.
2. what i called 'troll parents', their behaviour was often the same as regular forum page trolls but they had actively gone out of their way to find forum pages like ours, flame our threads, misquote members and generally cause havoc because our views differed from theirs- generally being immature, and were promptly banned.

Same goes for real life, there are the parents who just get on with being parents and there are the parents who cause a big scene over anything and everything. I try not to comment about these kinds of issues, i find the whole 'you have no idea cos you don't want kids' attitude to be really immature and what exactly does someone saying that to me prove anyway?
There are quite a few 'selfish mummys' around, 6 and a half years working in retail showed me that, i did my best to treat everyone the same, and when i came to leave i was told i would be welcomed back with open arms.

In reply to the original post, some companies are extremely strict about certain policies, when i have had a particularly strict or prone to moan boss i would just say as little as possible back, get on with my work and hope for a quiet life.

before_hollywood

prettypennies wrote:

Here Here. The way children are treated in this country sucks! These parent-phobes seems to forget that today's children will be tommorrow's taxpayers.

''parent-phobes'' :mad:
i think prettypennies you will find it is pronounced ''childfree''

and i am also tomorrows taxpayer, as well as today's, i am 25, and the way the pensions system is going (to the wall, like the rest of this country) i am going to be next weeks taxpayer as well :eek:

laurajayne

At the risk of getting back to the point....

I understand both sides of this argument...I was until 6 months ago a retail manager myself.

As heartwrenching as it is when a kiddie needs to go, I would not allow a customer to use our staff toilets.

a) it is against policy and procedure - not least because of the security issues concerned. It would therefore get me and/or my staff fired for gross misconduct.

b) It would be against health and safety...and fire regulations - and therefore get the company in trouble should an accident occur.

Most of us (thick, on £5 p/h or whatever the comment was) would love to help...but hands are tied, and we kinda need the job too! Complain about the compensation culture etc and it may change. Good for those who broke the rules....but I didn't want to get fired!