Bloody Petrol Prices

motorguy

andygb wrote: »

Yeah OK, lets cut the numbers of teachers, police, ambulance staff, armed forces, social services, doctors, nurses, after all what does it matter,
our population is growing every year, we do not need all these "timewasters".
Are you really that short sighted or do you train a lot for your specific event?

I would imagine he meant all the bureaucrats that are imployed in local government offices. I know northern ireland is coming down with them.

rev_henry

andygb wrote: »

Yeah OK, lets cut the numbers of teachers, police, ambulance staff, armed forces, social services, doctors, nurses, after all what does it matter,
our population is growing every year, we do not need all these "timewasters".
Are you really that short sighted or do you train a lot for your specific event?

Erm, no, more like all the people who work in council offices and are rarely seen by the public. I'm sure most of them we need and do a great job, but there are many who are overpaid and not really necessary...

rev_henry

pgilc1 wrote: »

I would imagine he meant all the bureaucrats that are imployed in local government offices. I know northern ireland is coming down with them.

You beat me to it. That would be my father then :eek:
And I personally know a couple of people who are basically overpaid typists.
Although to be fair my father hates his job mainly I think because he knows most of what he does is bureaucratic nonsense, his salary actually went down a couple of years ago.

robredz

whatmichaelsays wrote: »

Go on then.

Start finding £22bn of savings, without economically and socially crippling the country, and open the debate. I don't like fuel duty as much as the next guy, but somebody has to pay somewhere.

As for the Grauniad jobs section, I'm guessing that's just "back of the sofa change" in the grand scheme of things, much like MPs expenses.

We're about to go into a period of service cuts and tax increases, not "one or the other". To facilitate a cut in fuel duty, you have to accept an increase elsewhere as well as cost savings in government. Something that the RHA and other "fuel price crusaders" don't want to debate because, quite frankly, they know that they'll get their !!!!!! handed to them. The RHA will soon have something to moan about if we introduced Beligan rates of fuel duty in exchange for Beligan rates of corporation tax.

It's not small change, they can streamline admin, get rid of the nannying hectoring co-ordinator/diversity non jobbers, overpaid management consultants doing the jobs that the high ranking officials can't or won't do. get rid of some of them and replace them with people who can do rather than people who cannot/will not. Cull and abolish the quangocracy, they are an unaffordable unaccountable burden. Foreign aid to countries who don't need it should go also. The EU is a great big money hoover sucking up vast amounts of cash, we could balance the books quickly if we weren't paying into the EUSSR .

whatmichaelsays

robredz wrote: »

It's not small change, they can streamline admin, get rid of the nannying hectoring co-ordinator/diversity non jobbers, overpaid management consultants doing the jobs that the high ranking officials can't or won't do. get rid of some of them and replace them with people who can do rather than people who cannot/will not. Cull and abolish the quangocracy, they are an unaffordable unaccountable burden. Foreign aid to countries who don't need it should go also. The EU is a great big money hoover sucking up vast amounts of cash, we could balance the books quickly if we weren't paying into the EUSSR .

Wow! You went the hole hog there didn't you? Even throwing in the stock "Daily Heil" knee-jerk phrases to make yourself look even more clueless.

Bravo.

robredz

whatmichaelsays wrote: »

Wow! You went the hole hog there didn't you? Even throwing in the stock "Daily Heil" knee-jerk phrases to make yourself look even more clueless.

Bravo.

Best thing to do in your book then is to vote Labour and hope Gordo takes all our money with tax at 100% and gives us back pocket money at income support rates according to our assessed applicable amount (the amount of money the law says we need to live on according to DWP) as for the Daily Heil, and the Gruniad they are both different sides of the same coin
one left one right you pays your money. Imho, whoever gets in will make no difference and either way we are screwed, unless we can get a public sector job, assuming that the incomers of whatever political colour don't cull loads of jobs just to prove a point. I'm not so clueless as to realise that whatever anyone says the politicos will go stumbling on from crisis to crisis and nothing will change. Whoever you vote for the government gets in

rev_henry

robredz wrote: »

It's not small change, they can streamline admin, get rid of the nannying hectoring co-ordinator/diversity non jobbers, overpaid management consultants doing the jobs that the high ranking officials can't or won't do. get rid of some of them and replace them with people who can do rather than people who cannot/will not. Cull and abolish the quangocracy, they are an unaffordable unaccountable burden. Foreign aid to countries who don't need it should go also. The EU is a great big money hoover sucking up vast amounts of cash, we could balance the books quickly if we weren't paying into the EUSSR .

Might I suggest we start with the useless Student Finance Company, and the Equality and Human Rights Commision/Commision for Racial Equality/whatever that idiot Trevor Philips likes to call his joke of an organisation these days and the Crown Prosecution Service (let the Police do it again).

robredz

rev_henry wrote: »

Might I suggest we start with the useless Student Finance Company, and the Equality and Human Rights Commision/Commision for Racial Equality/whatever that idiot Trevor Philips likes to call his joke of an organisation these days and the Crown Prosecution Service (let the Police do it again).

Might be a start, but we must be careful because that attitude makes us clueless in whatmichaelsays's eyes. There is ample room to cut without affecting services Does the NHS need managers to manage managers and consultants to advise them how to fiddle the stats and tick boxes? the patients becoming an irrelevant nuisance, proof of this in the debacle at Stafford General.

aardvaak

When I passed my test in 1972 petrol was 34p a gallon!

lola34

our petrol seems to go up 1p per day, yet last time this happened the trucks went out on strike - re election I don't trust anyone -its all give with one hand take with the other