Baby Milk Price Hike!

PrincessPlaty

HariboJunkie wrote: »

And as for the quote below....



No offence here but you have been a mother for all of 6 months. I really don't think you are in any position to demand the retraining of an entire section of the nursing profession. Having seen a number of your posts on how "best" to bring up a baby, I for one would have detested having someone with opinions as forthright as yours advising me when I was feeding my twins. I am sure you are doing what is best for you and your child but I did things a whole lot differently and am exceptionally proud of the way my girls are turning out.

In skintchicks defence she posted what you quoted in response to something that i posted.

At the new birth visit with my HV i was berated by her for BF because my DS had only put on 6oz in a week, and pretty much made me feel like a piece of !!!!

It was me that said that a lot of training or retraining seems to be done in certain areas as from experience the lack of support i have received has been a joke tbh. Though i do understand this differs from area to area and some people have been lucky enough to receive fantastic support!

But i can fully understand why women chose to FF when there are professionals out there acting the way that my HV did.

MrsTinks

Interesting... here they are VERY pro BF (obviously) but in hospital looking back the advice I got was frankly terrible - wellmeant no doubt, but not very good for me... I was told to do the Rugby hold, being all thumbs that was never going to work frankly I couldn't get DD to latch on properly till I flattened my nipple with my fingers whlst using the ring finger to lower her bottom jaw and co-ordinating the nipple in. How did I learn that? Well... at BF cafe there was a "bible" for the HVs - having been given loads of support I was still struggling and thought I'd have a nose... there in the margin on one page was an illustration... suddenly it clicked! I tried it and it worked... I even showed loads of other mums there how to do it... the HVs hadn't even spotted it in THEIR book!
(ok it was the size of the encyclopedia britannica!) but it worked for me, I could never get DD to latch properly before then no matter what I was advised....
How I didn't give up before then I don't know...
I think personally the yanking of the nipple might have just been the final straw or the icing on the cake... I'd been through so much with her feeding that I couldn't face yet another long uphill struggle full of pain, stress and many many tears!
Maybe if they had shown me that the first day in hospital I wouldn't have struggled so much and I wouldn't have been so close to the edge when we got to 3/4 months?
That said I don't think there were any "nasty" HVs... I think it's a shame they never knew/showed me that technique though...

As for gaining weight... I stopped taking DD pretty quickly to the weighing clinics... a pedeatric nurse told me that so long as they are healthy, eat well and fill their nappies and look healthy (and you KNOW) then don't worry too much!

got-it-spend-it

SusanC wrote: »

Any chance of fruit cake? I'm not that keen on chocolate cake.

I thought I was the only one not keen on chocolate cake! I'm making a Victoria Sponge, Susan, you can have a piece of that.

As an aside, and not to reignite the debate but there was talk last week on the PT that there was no FF information available, I just wanted to say that I picked up a guide to formula feeding at my baby clinic this morning. It's an NHS one in the same format as the BF one with info on sterilising, making up feeds, storing feeds etc. I realise that is only a small help to those new to the game, as the BF one is, but these things do exist!

SusanC_2

MrsTine wrote: »

Yuck! Sorry I don't do fruit cake... I could be convinced to make a ginger cake, banana loaf or even a carrot cake at a push...

(fruit? in a cake? But that's nearly healthy! shaaaaaaaame on you! :rotfl:)

I guess I'll go for banana then.

You'll have to have words with Alice - she only has fruit cake in order to pick the fruit out to eat.

Fitzio wrote: »

Fair enough - there will always be instances where people think it's right in individual circumstances to switch, but I was referring to the comment about the Formula Police, and I was thinking in general terms such as on these debates. I don't think I have experienced anyone steaming into one of these debates and saying "It's better to FF and you should change as you are not doing the best for your baby/You shouldn't be allowed to BF unless you can't FF for any reason" whereas they have said such things with regards to BFing. Of course I could be wrong (it has been known on occasion!).

I see what you mean - the "You shouldn't BF" tends to be IRL and personal whereas the "You shouldn't FF" comes in debates at people who haven't said, "You shouldn't BF".

got-it-spend-it wrote: »

I thought I was the only one not keen on chocolate cake! I'm making a Victoria Sponge, Susan, you can have a piece of that.

Thank you.

HariboJunkie

PrincessPlaty wrote: »

In skintchicks defence she posted what you quoted in response to something that i posted.

At the new birth visit with my HV i was berated by her for BF because my DS had only put on 6oz in a week, and pretty much made me feel like a piece of !!!!

It was me that said that a lot of training or retraining seems to be done in certain areas as from experience the lack of support i have received has been a joke tbh. Though i do understand this differs from area to area and some people have been lucky enough to receive fantastic support!

But i can fully understand why women chose to FF when there are professionals out there acting the way that my HV did.

Fair enough but there are people who give bad advice in all professions and it works both ways. When I had my twins the hospital was having a real breast feeding push. I was the only mum on my ward who chose to breast feed and as such was under alot of pressure to the point where I was very embarrassed. At one point, one midwife told another new mum that she would have to wait to be attended to as I needed something and I was a BFing mum. It put me in a very awkward position and yes, I had chosen to try breastfeeding and yes, I was lucky that with some perseverence, it worked for me and my girls but that really didn't make me better than anyone else and no new mum should have been made to feel that.

Coming back to the point of mothers FFing for their own convenience I have to put my hands up and say that that was one of my main reasons for bfing. I knew that I could feed twins simultaneously (and also while asleep) if I bfed whereas it would have been a much harder thing to do with bottles. Having just given birth to twins after 32 hours in labour, living hundreds of miles from family and friends and with a husband working 18 hours a day, I just may have considered ffing if I thought it might have my life a little bit easier.

peachyprice

Dormouse wrote: »

Having good vision is 'the norm'. Some (a lot!) of people do not have perfect vision (the deviation - not anyone's fault, no reason to feel guilty about it!), so they have to wear glasses/lenses, which are an extra expense that people who have perfect vision do not have.

I do see the point you are trying to make, but people with perfect vision do not tell a person who has impaired vision that they are a failure for not trying to get along without glasses and making their natural eyesight work for them, which is what the BF militia do to FFer's

MrsTinks

Peachy that was how I was trying to put it... but failed... *sigh* again

thatgirlsam

pigpen wrote: »

Hardly spiteful.. it is against the law like I already stated.. I didn't have to point that out to the store manager I could have contacted trading standards and provided photographic evidence and they would have been prosecuted.. I did the store a favour!

so many people breastfeed in other European countries because hospitals do not provide free milk, nor do they ram a bottle in the mothers hand the second things look a bit like needing work.. formula is also in many of these countries more expensive than it is here.. midwives here have next to no training in breastfeeding which is disgusting so they know very little about positioning or supply/demand or anything else..

I think more education for midwives about how to breastfeed and more patience in helping the mothers who want to breastfeed to succeed would be a better for these families and possibly decrease the cost of formula as the demand would drop so they'd have to encourage more mothers to buy it and the only reasonable way is to reduce the cost.

i find this offensive ...

i work in a maternity unit as a midwifery care assistant and we are trained to support mums BF'ing

im sorry if you had a bad experience from a midwife , but you cannot say that midwives are untrained.. we do not ram a bottle towards a mum the minute they have trouble .. in fact i have spent many a night with a mum helping till we get it right

and many many nights hand expressing with women who have poorly babies in nicu

we are there to support - now that means to support the BFers and the FFers

the amount of times i have seen women crying and being distraught as they are not getting on with BFing but they are worried about what people will say ... thats is wrong imo

tiamai_d

My babies have all slept brilliantly at night, if they did spend half the night crying or demanding attention, it has been rare, it has happened but it is rare. How would people feel if I started saying that because I have managed to get them to sleep through and go to bed and not cry, that they should try harder to get their little sleep fighter/screamer to sleep? They are being lazy by not trying harder? It's natural for babies to sleep, they are programmed to eat, poop and sleep. Sleeping is the most natural thing in the world, how can you deny your baby sleep?

Course that's silly because we all know that a baby will sleep or it won't and there is not much we can do about it.

So I wont preach about sleeping babies and I would appreciate if others wont preach about breast feeding babies.

Triggles

Well, straying back to the original post, as a mum who is FF her little one, I am greatly annoyed that the price of formula has recently risen about £1 per container. I get just as annoyed when anything else at the supermarket is driven up in price, so obviously this is the same thing to me. The price of something I need to buy has gone up, and there's little I can do about it.

I will admit to being bored to tears with the constant resounding cries of "breast is best" that always seem to surface when formula is discussed. It would be nice just to see a thread in which the poster simply was frustrated over a price increase on a necessary product (for that particular household) be allowed to run without the BF v FF controversy. *sigh* People can bang on about the whole advertising ban and such regarding formula, and how people need to step back and not get emotional about the issue, but it would be so nice if those who were FF'ing didn't have to get the whole BF'ing mantra thrown in their face for deigning to discuss an aspect of formula feeding. It is wearing and a bit condescending, IMO.