Indicators... Why not?

Rolandtheroadie

Dave101t wrote: »

you can only use your arms if your indicators dont work, and as its an mot failure, not fixing them sharpish will land you with 3 points!
and to all those cutting me off by pulling out without indicating on the motorway, is it fun being woken up by my car pulling in front of you on the return by 6 inches at 90mph? i see your brakes and lights work!

What code appears on your licence when you get 3 points for no indicators?

Kilty_2

Hadrian wrote: »

Lighten up you lot! If that's all you can think of to castigate the motorist then there are far worse driving habits to get your knickers in a twist. For instance, what about those Scotch cars ("S" as second letter in the number plate) going home(?) hogging the centre lane on the M1? Every time I am on it I see this happening for mile after mile after mile, irrespective of whether there are any other cars around. That IS dangerous.

If by Scotch cars you mean cars registered in Scotland I think you'll find that S is the first letter in the number plate - for example SO53 ()()(), my current car, and SH55 NTL - a 1.3 CDTI Vauxhall Astra which nobody should buy if they see it at auction as it's knackered.

Registered in Glasgow and Edinburgh respectively, iirc.

Using your "2nd letter is S" theory, AS59 xxx is more then likely a hired VW from Europcar.

Kilty_2

scotsman4th wrote: »

What code appears on your licence when you get 3 points for no indicators?

The one for driving an unroadworthy vehicle - CU20 probably.

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mikey72 wrote: »

Or arrogant enough.

I see. So because you lack the skills which would enable you to make such a judgement, anybody who possesses those skills is arrogant.

That says much about your character.

mikey72

Pew_Pew_Pew_Lasers! wrote: »

I see. So because you lack the skills which would enable you to make such a judgement, anybody who possesses those skills is arrogant.

That says much about your character.

No, you might be complacent.
And it's not a judgement.
Either you have seen absolutely everything around you, and you know it, or you haven't.
If you have to make a judgement on it, you've already admitted there may be things you could have missed.
(Then it's arrogant as you only think you possess the skills, and have convinced yourself that your judgement will suffice instead)

But to get philosophical, rather than judgemental, in the spirit of

"If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"

If your indicator is on, but there is no one to see it, does it really flash?

dehaani

I, for one, feel that I am a very observant driver and I know when it's appropriate not to indicate but I'll readily admit that I sometimes indicate even when I'm sure nobody will benefit from it. I suppose it's just force of habit. I don't accept for a second that it suggests I'm on autopilot or unaware of my surroundings.

Rolandtheroadie

Kilty wrote: »

The one for driving an unroadworthy vehicle - CU20 probably.

Thanks but not looking for a probably. if the indicators arnt working would a hand signal not suffice?
What about cars that dont require indicators?

dehaani

scotsman4th wrote: »

What about cars that dont require indicators?

Do you mean classics, with trafficators? Or even older?

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mikey72 wrote: »

No, you might be complacent.
And it's not a judgement.
Either you have seen absolutely everything around you, and you know it, or you haven't.
If you have to make a judgement on it, you've already admitted there may be things you could have missed.

I'm not a complacent driver, and yes, I have seen absolutely everything around me. It isn't at all difficult. Its called observation, and isn't a difficult skill to learn. If I'm uncertain, I don't blithely use my indicator and move anyway—I simply hold my position, and wait until I'm certain.

Have you read Roadcraft?

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dehaani wrote: »

I, for one, feel that I am a very observant driver and I know when it's appropriate not to indicate but I'll readily admit that I sometimes indicate even when I'm sure nobody will benefit from it. I suppose it's just force of habit. I don't accept for a second that it suggests I'm on autopilot or unaware of my surroundings.

Excuse me but you've just contradicted yourself. Doing things out of habit is by definition unthinking behaviour.