Why do stupid people light bonfires during the day?

mrcol1000

hoyles10 wrote: »

I have some stuff that needs burning including some documents with sensitive information that I would rather burn than shred... I have bought a burning bin or what ever it's called, what would be the best time to light it so I don't upset people?

Never. Its a criminal offence and if your neighbours complain then you can be told off or fined if its happened before. You can not burn controlled waste such as this even in a "burning bin".
Why don't you just shred it? Even if you burn it then bits can surive. This is how companies that burn their waste are caught. Bits of surving stuff with their address on.

geordie_joe

mrcol1000 wrote: »

Never. Its a criminal offence

Oh dear

https://www.askthe.police.uk/content/Q283.htm?letter=B

mrcol1000 wrote: »

and if your neighbours complain then you can be told off or fined if its happened before.

So, what you're saying is you won't get punished if it is the first time!

mrcol1000

geordie_joe wrote: »

Oh dear

https://www.askthe.police.uk/content/Q283.htm?letter=B



So, what you're saying is you won't get punished if it is the first time!

Environmental Protection Act 1990 makes it an offence to do anything with your waste other than give it to licensed waste carrier (your local council for domestic waste).
However LA who have to enforce this will try their best to sort it out informally because to be honest fining council tax payers and pulling them in court never looks good.

Amistoso_2

tandraig wrote: »

you think that was rude????

where were you brought up? by cistercian monks?

oh - and dont call my OH a !!!!!! - he is lovely - but i bet a lot bigger than you and was known as local rugbys teams 'hard centre'.
that was uncalled for and if you want to take me on - better than you have tried - and failed!

Wasn't so long ago my dear that you were highly offended at someone putting the word "!!!!!!" in a thread incase your grandchildren read it, take it they don't mind the word [EMAIL="tw@t"]!!!!!![/EMAIL] then?
and what's all the "my hubby's bigger than yours" p!sh all about? how old are you???!!!!!
hypocrit

tbw

What this debate really hinges on is that, these days, every man and his dog reckon that the Human Rights Act gives them a licence to do as the damn well please - regardless of any problems their behaviour might create for other people. That also applies to people who feel that just because they don't like something, it shouldn't be allowed to happen.

Whatever happened to common sense and consideration?

OK, people sometimes have garden rubbish that they want to burn - there appears to be no solid reason why they can't do it but it helps if they make sure its not very windy, that there is nothing that will cause excessive black smoke and that their neighbours don't have washing out or open windows. But going round to the neighbours and saying 'Take your washing in, I'm about to light a bonfire' and making it appear like a demand is not exactly going to endear you to the neighbour who may well have only just put the washing out! Saying that you need to light a fire - is the washing likely to be dry yet or asking if it could be taken in in a couple of hours if its only just gone out, is likely to get a better response. It might be the first dry, sunny day you've had to do the bonfire - but its also probably the first chance to do the washing.

And those with open windows and washing need to understand that a bit of negotiation rather than a 'you can't light your B***** fire now!' response is called for.

Recently my neighbour took the 'I'm going to light a fire , its my right and you can't stop me ' attitude. She followed up by saying she was a polite considerate person and was giving me warning of her intention and thats all she was required to do. Bearing in mind it was 10.30 in the morning and she'd just watched me peg out a machine load, I did feel that asking me how long before the washing would be dry might have been more appropriate.

It does all need a fair bit of give and take. People want to dry their washing, they want to have their windows open when its hot and they want to have bar b ques in the evening. These are all normal everyday living things. Bonfires are not quite in the same category and there are other methods of getting rid of garden waste so perhaps bonfire rights are not quite so important. I have LOADS of waste - but it all gets taken up to the dump, its probably 10 years since I had a bonfire (apart from the tiny fire in a bucket to burn cheque stubs that won't go through my shredder).

DCodd

mrcol1000 wrote: »

Environmental Protection Act 1990 makes it an offence to do anything with your waste other than give it to licensed waste carrier (your local council for domestic waste).
However LA who have to enforce this will try their best to sort it out informally because to be honest fining council tax payers and pulling them in court never looks good.

I'm sorry but you are very wrong, there are no legal restrictions on bonfires as long as there is no toxic waste and are not used on a frequent enough basis for them to be regarded as a nuisance.

http://www.surreycc.gov.uk/SCCWebsite/sccwspages.nsf/searchresults/d106398f452309c7802570ad004f6084?OpenDocument

P.S. Most councils will ask you to burn garden waste that is diseased rather than contaminating their healthy compostable green waste.

geordie_joe

mrcol1000 wrote: »

Environmental Protection Act 1990 makes it an offence to do anything with your waste other than give it to licensed waste carrier (your local council for domestic waste).

Can you point me to the specific section, because I can't find it.

Need to check that putting veg peelings and paper into compost bin, then onto garden is not a criminal offence. I'm also worried about those little bits of waste that escape down the plug hole, they could land me in jail.

Oh, and what about giving books to charity shops? If it's an offence to burn paper, as it is household waste, then it may also be an offence to give it to charity.

Oh no!!! All those milk bottle tops I gave to the Blue Peter appeal....I'll get a fine for that as I've done it loads of times and will refuse to stop doing it :eek:

Good god, all that silver paper I collected for the blind dog appeal, and the used stamps that also went to Blue Peter

The old yoghurt pots I put seedling in, they were household waste and I reused them instead of giving them to a licensed waste carrier!

I'm a serial criminal, I'll get fined thousands!

mrcol1000

geordie_joe wrote: »

Can you point me to the specific section, because I can't find it.

Need to check that putting veg peelings and paper into compost bin, then onto garden is not a criminal offence. I'm also worried about those little bits of waste that escape down the plug hole, they could land me in jail.

Oh, and what about giving books to charity shops? If it's an offence to burn paper, as it is household waste, then it may also be an offence to give it to charity.

Oh no!!! All those milk bottle tops I gave to the Blue Peter appeal....I'll get a fine for that as I've done it loads of times and will refuse to stop doing it :eek:

Good god, all that silver paper I collected for the blind dog appeal, and the used stamps that also went to Blue Peter

The old yoghurt pots I put seedling in, they were household waste and I reused them instead of giving them to a licensed waste carrier!

I'm a serial criminal, I'll get fined thousands!

And this is why most local council's will only take action agasint the people causing a nusiance regularly rather than sticking to exactly how the law states. If it took action agasint everyone who broke the law pretty much every resident in the country would be in court.

By the way. c) is the bit that says you can not burn your waste. All waste is controlled waste.

33 Prohibition on unauthorised or harmful deposit, treatment or disposal etc. of waste
(1) Subject to subsection (2) and (3) below and, in relation to Scotland, to section 54 below, a person shall not—
(a) deposit controlled waste, or knowingly cause or knowingly permit controlled waste to be deposited in or on any land unless a waste management licence authorising the deposit is in force and the deposit is in accordance with the licence;
(b) treat, keep or dispose of controlled waste, or knowingly cause or knowingly permit controlled waste to be treated, kept or disposed of—
(i) in or on any land, or
(ii) by means of any mobile plant,
except under and in accordance with a waste management licence;
(c) treat, keep or dispose of controlled waste in a manner likely to cause pollution of the environment or harm to human health.

geordie_joe

mrcol1000 wrote: »

And this is why most local council's will only take action agasint the people causing a nusiance regularly rather than sticking to exactly how the law states. If it took action agasint everyone who broke the law pretty much every resident in the country would be in court.

By the way. c) is the bit that says you can not burn your waste. All waste is controlled waste.

33 Prohibition on unauthorised or harmful deposit, treatment or disposal etc. of waste
(1) Subject to subsection (2) and (3) below and, in relation to Scotland, to section 54 below, a person shall not—
(a) deposit controlled waste, or knowingly cause or knowingly permit controlled waste to be deposited in or on any land unless a waste management licence authorising the deposit is in force and the deposit is in accordance with the licence;
(b) treat, keep or dispose of controlled waste, or knowingly cause or knowingly permit controlled waste to be treated, kept or disposed of—
(i) in or on any land, or
(ii) by means of any mobile plant,
except under and in accordance with a waste management licence;
(c) treat, keep or dispose of controlled waste in a manner likely to cause pollution of the environment or harm to human health.

It's a shame you didn't read the next paragraph

(2) Subsection (1) above does not apply in relation to household waste from a domestic property which is treated, kept or disposed of within the curtilage of the dwelling by or with the permission of the occupier of the dwelling.

In other words you don't have to give it to anyone if you dispose of it on the land attached to your property. curtilage means land attached to a property.

DCodd

mrcol1000 wrote: »

And this is why most local council's will only take action agasint the people causing a nusiance regularly rather than sticking to exactly how the law states. If it took action agasint everyone who broke the law pretty much every resident in the country would be in court.

By the way. c) is the bit that says you can not burn your waste. All waste is controlled waste.

33 Prohibition on unauthorised or harmful deposit, treatment or disposal etc. of waste
(1) Subject to subsection (2) and (3) below and, in relation to Scotland, to section 54 below, a person shall not—
(a) deposit controlled waste, or knowingly cause or knowingly permit controlled waste to be deposited in or on any land unless a waste management licence authorising the deposit is in force and the deposit is in accordance with the licence;
(b) treat, keep or dispose of controlled waste, or knowingly cause or knowingly permit controlled waste to be treated, kept or disposed of—
(i) in or on any land, or
(ii) by means of any mobile plant,
except under and in accordance with a waste management licence;
(c) treat, keep or dispose of controlled waste in a manner likely to cause pollution of the environment or harm to human health.

That does not prevent bonfires, as councils still incinerate and are required to incinerate section c can not be interpreted as excluding burning non-toxic materials.

If you are suggesting that our household "controlled waste" is subject to the regulations that require the producer to ensure correct disposal by the waste transfer contractor then the council would have to provide each and every household with a weekly waste transfer note.