Children Wetting Themselves at school!

Sami_Bee

Deleted_User wrote: »

sami, what does hlta stand for please?

Higher Level Teaching Assistant, it basically means that she is qualified to deliver lessons unsupervised provided the lesson has been planned by a qualified teacher

andrealm

Sami,I'm not sure, I don't think she would have taken them off herself, not without prompting anyway.

Your mum sounds lovely, it's a pity there aren't more people like that working in schools.

galvanizersbaby

andrealm wrote: »

Sami,I'm not sure, I don't think she would have taken them off herself, not without prompting anyway.

Your mum sounds lovely, it's a pity there aren't more people like that working in schools.

andrealm how old is your daughter and what age does preschool start?

I hear pre school used a lot on these threads and I get confused because where I am the term pre school means a child that is not of school age (they start school the term they are 5)
Here we don't have anything pre school attached to an actual school containing qualified teachers - it's either a nursery or playschool

I am just trying to envisage a situation where if either of my children had soiled themselves at nursery (which had a preschool room which they moved to at the age of 3) - not being 'allowed' to wipe the children and deal with the incident

andrealm

gb, she's 3 yrs 4 months. It's a nursery attached to a school and most of them are 3 or 4, she's one of the youngest in her pre school year but they do take children in the year below if they have space.

milliebear00001

andrealm wrote: »

gb, she's 3 yrs 4 months. It's a nursery attached to a school and most of them are 3 or 4, she's one of the youngest in her pre school year but they do take children in the year below if they have space.

Most pre-schools taking children from 3, will expect children to be trained. Is there a reason why she isn't? If it's a medical issue, then the pre-school may be more accommodating.

Some pre-schools take children from younger than 3, and these will usually expect to have to change children. Private nurseries will do whatever you ask - you are paying them after all!

andrealm

They do take children younger than 3 if they have space, I know a girl who started at 2.5. She is using the toilet for wees and I explained about her problems with constipation in an earlier post. She also has a fear of hand dryers which has also led to problems with training her.

milliebear00001

If the constipation is an issue for training her, then the pre-school should know this and be as accommodating as possible - consider getting a GP note if they are being difficult, and the soiling is a common occurence. You really need a joint plan at home and nursery to get her out of pull-ups.

The hand-drier thing is common - both mine were/are terrified of them. Shouldn't be a problem at pre-school/home though surely?

galvanizersbaby

milliebear00001 wrote: »

Most pre-schools taking children from 3, will expect children to be trained. Is there a reason why she isn't? If it's a medical issue, then the pre-school may be more accommodating.

Some pre-schools take children from younger than 3, and these will usually expect to have to change children. Private nurseries will do whatever you ask - you are paying them after all!

Surely there doesn't need to be a medical reason for a child not to be fully trained at the age of 3?
My children were both trained by 3 but accidents happen (often in children older than 3)
My two were both in a private nursery but they liked them to be trained or on their way by the time they entered the pre school room at age 3.
Was hardly a problem though if they had an accident - as you say they are being paid thousands of pounds and not wishing to offend anyone but it is part of their job (they are not qualified teachers and not paid to be) assumably the adults in pre-school are.

Reading the various threads on here I'm so glad my children managed without the benefit of these 'pre-schools'

milliebear00001

galvanizersbaby wrote: »

Surely there doesn't need to be a medical reason for a child not to be fully trained at the age of 3?
My children were both trained by 3 but accidents happen (often in children older than 3)
My two were both in a private nursery but they liked them to be trained or on their way by the time they entered the pre school room at age 3.
Was hardly a problem though if they had an accident - as you say they are being paid thousands of pounds and not wishing to offend anyone but it is part of their job (they are not qualified teachers and not paid to be) assumably the adults in pre-school are.

Reading the various threads on here I'm so glad my children managed without the benefit of these 'pre-schools'

The odd accident is not a problem at all - but routine soiling is. Sorry, but 3 years 4 months IS late not to be fully trained, and is part of the knock on problem of kids not being fully trained for school. Parents are delaying training, but there is no physical reason to do this. Many children are now starting training months later than they did say, 10 or 20 years ago. The children haven't changed, but society/parental attitudes to potty training seem to have done so.

'Pre-school' is a bit of a catch-all term for the state system of early education. The main benefit of them over private nurseries, is that they often (but not always) employ qualified teachers rather than nursery nurses. There are sometimes educational advantages because of this when the children start school. My daughter attended pre-school and my son a private nursery and pre-chool combined. The private nursery definitely didn't give as good a preparation for school, but that's a separate issue!

galvanizersbaby

milliebear00001 wrote: »

The odd accident is not a problem at all - but routine soiling is. Sorry, but 3 years 4 months IS late not to be fully trained, and is part of the knock on problem of kids not being fully trained for school. Parents are delaying training, but there is no physical reason to do this. Many children are now starting training months later than they did say, 10 or 20 years ago. The children haven't changed, but society/parental attitudes to potty training seem to have done so.

'Pre-school' is a bit of a catch-all term for the state system of early education. The main benefit of them over private nurseries, is that they often (but not always) employ qualified teachers rather than nursery nurses. There are sometimes educational advantages because of this when the children start school. My daughter attended pre-school and my son a private nursery and pre-chool combined. The private nursery definitely didn't give as good a preparation for school, but that's a separate issue!

I guess I just get confused when people mention not being allowed to deal with accidents involving pre-school children (probably because I used a private nursery)

I would imagine private nurseries vary with how good an educational preparation they can give a child for school - the nursery we used followed the Ofsted guidelines which covers the basics but there were no qualified teachers in employment - personally speaking my children didn't appear to suffer or have a problem when starting school.

For me I was more concerned that they were properly cared for emotionally and physically when away from me at a young age rather than what sort of education they were recieving - after all we did lots of reading and numbers at home - I'm not a qualified teacher but I would think that most parents would do this