Children Wetting Themselves at school!

milliebear00001

bylromarha wrote: »

one of those...

DS's head is like this. Makes me livid the stories I've heard.

Most recent, my childminder's daughter was stung by a wasp-the sting was left in whilst mum was rung and as mum couldn't get there for 35 minutes, the sting was left in as the head wouldn't remove it or let her staff remove it due to "HS." Poor child was left with a massive red welt for days from the prolonged exposure to the sting. My childminder said the head wanted to explain why they hadn't removed the sting before they let her get to her daughter to remove it too-too right that she just pushed her way past to help her daughter.

Just don't understand Heads who put the risk of getting sued before a child's wellbeing. 2 adults removed from a class to aid an accident is sillyness. How is that looking after the entire class and teaching them? 1 accident a day, 10 mins to resolve. That's 100 mins of teaching time lost per week instead of 50 mins. 600 mins instead of 300 per half term. Your head is losing 5 teaching hours per half term due to HS;) Most heads would balk at that:D

Ha, yes - maybe we should present it to him in those terms! Would be much easier though, if the parents trained their kids (and I say that meaning no offence to anyone who tried properly - i.e. cold turkey, puddles on the floor NO pull-ups properly - and still has issues).

PinkLipgloss

nottslass wrote: »

I think that most class rooms have a TA,at the very least there would be another member of staff available to cover should it be necessary.

Whilst most classes do have a TA they are not exclusively attached to one class. An exception to this is if you have a child/ren with additional support needs. I have a TA for a mere 3 hours per week. Therefore, most of the time I am my own dealing with a class full of 5/6 year olds.

If one of my children had an accident I could not possibly leave the room to deal with them. I would send a note to the office to arrange for two TA's to deal with the child (one as witness) and the janitor to deal with the classroom cleanup operation.

bylromarha - in my experience teachers do not deal with accidents therefore there is no lost "teaching time". It would be blatantly irresponsible of a teacher to leave a class unsupervised to deal with anything. If an emergency crops up in my class I have a pre-made laminated card stuck to my door which says "Urgent assistance required in Mrs X's class" which a responsible child takes to the school office.

chirpchirp

In my school parents are not called for accidents, the nursery nurse or TA who is assigned to a particular child will deal with the accident.

We have a child who has special educational needs who can soil himself 4 times a day and his TA will clean him up. We can't call for his parents or any other parents as this could infringe the disability discrimination act.

Besides, if a child needs changing they need changing now. Reception teachers are used to accidents. In my class, the Nursery Nurse or myself will hand the change of clothes to the child with the accident and they will get themselves changed. If they need help the Nursery Nurse will don her gloves and clean them up.

Unfortunately last year was dominated by one particular child who would have soiling accidents frequently throughout the day. At the same time we had another child who was a frequent wetter and a third child in nappies who was attached to a TA.

This year we have retained 2 of the children and the frequent wetter has gone into the year 1 class. We still have accidents from our new reception children but these seem to spread around more this year rather than just one individual.

OP my son would still wet in Reception and Year 1, this was because he would be engrossed in activities. Now he is in Year 3 this has stopped but he will occasionally wet the bed if he has had a late night and is in a deep sleep as a result. I have decided this is because he normally wakes and goes by himself in the night or goes as soon as he wakes in the morning. If I wake him slightly later than normal, I will normally find a wet bed.

bylromarha

PinkLipgloss wrote: »

bylromarha - in my experience teachers do not deal with accidents therefore there is no lost "teaching time". It would be blatantly irresponsible of a teacher to leave a class unsupervised to deal with anything. If an emergency crops up in my class I have a pre-made laminated card stuck to my door which says "Urgent assistance required in Mrs X's class" which a responsible child takes to the school office.

In my experience, i had to deal with it. Sometimes there were no other adults in the hut. School office was a 5 minute walk away and through 2 doors with key code access (so an adult needed to be found there too). Toilets in the outer classroom meant I could either leave a child alone, wet and embarrassed (and often crying) for 15 minutes whilst an adult was found to help or stop teaching, do what was needed to send the class to work and help the wet child. I felt the latter was far more appropriate for a 4 year old, so teaching time was lost. Not ideal, but reality.

tandraig

milliebear00001 wrote: »

Just a few points.

milliebear - dont quote me then change the post - even if you did put your inserts in red!
on internet thats considered rude and and very bad behaviour!
maybe i am old or old fashioned - but i have been on chatrooms and forums since 1999 and at no time was this considered acceptable.
when you quote someone you do so in its entirety then you rebut them.

I was making the point that even though parents may live a few minutes from school - they can't always arrive within a few minutes of phone call from school! and i have been called to some trivial incidents while Gds were in one particular class. if i had been a parent at work i am not sure employer would be very understanding.
havent the schools heard of the boy who cried wolf?

milliebear00001

tandraig wrote: »

milliebear - dont quote me then change the post - even if you did put your inserts in red!
on internet thats considered rude and and very bad behaviour!
maybe i am old or old fashioned - but i have been on chatrooms and forums since 1999 and at no time was this considered acceptable.
when you quote someone you do so in its entirety then you rebut them.

I was making the point that even though parents may live a few minutes from school - they can't always arrive within a few minutes of phone call from school! and i have been called to some trivial incidents while Gds were in one particular class. if i had been a parent at work i am not sure employer would be very understanding.
havent the schools heard of the boy who cried wolf?

Don't tell me how, or how not, to post on an internet forum. I will post however I please.

To reiterate - how your employer feels about you needing to take time away from work to deal with your child, is not my concern - your CHILD is my concern. I have no idea what 'trivial' incidents you feel you've been called out of work to deal with. Were they trivial to your child? All I can say, is that my school doesn't call in a parent unless we feel it's necessary. Parents do not always prioritise in the same way.

Sami_Bee

My mum is now a HLTA but when she first started and her school she was a nursery nurse. It was actually written in her job description back then (late 80's) until only about 5yrs ago that she was to deal with any child that had been sick or wet/soiled themselves.

The person that mentions a parent helper - I would be wary of a parent helper being present in class when my child was changing but that is very different to the teacher who you know and works for the school and therefore has more responsibility to do things in the proper way.

My mum is a very caring and loving person, rightly or wrongly she was told a few years back that staff shouldn't touch children in any way other than what is necessary but she chose to ignore this.
I'm so glad that there are still people like my mum working in schools. When a child falls over they mostly just need a hug to feel better and that is what my mum gives them. She still changes the children that have wet themselves mostly because said children request her above other members of staff because they know she will look after them as if they were her own.

I would be horrified to receive a call asking my to come and change my son if he's had a accident and I'm sure he'd be distraught at being made to sit in wet clothes waiting for me!

Anyhoo, I hope OP's son is doing better now?
Just to point out also that HV's are only 'interested' in Children until they have started school, once they're at school they get passed over to the school nursing team

andrealm

JMW77 wrote: »

My son is still having problems at school ,still wet at least twice a week we have tried everything.The school he goes to has the opinion it is normal to be dry at 2 so i am not happy, i have read many other posts who say its common and it helps to feel i'm not on my own,but i left the school today feeling like they have had enough of him so i am dreading next week now.

How is he getting on now? Hope he's getting on better this week. I'm sure there are many others in similar situations but it really doesn't help when you get the impression that the school thinks you and your child are a nuisance because of their accidents. My DD's preschool supposedly have a policy that all children should be fully trained and not need any help, although legally they're not allowed to stop children coming because they're not trained/ having accidents.

My DD started preschool last week and is mostly going to the toilet for wees, most of the time anyway. She's been going to nursery in pull ups and we use them for trips out as well as she has problems with pooing on the toilet. /she's on Lactulose for constipation/holding in poo but still doesn't poo regularly and sometimes does runny poos, it's hard to know how much medicine to give her.

Anyway she was fine all last week but today they called me to come in and change her just a few minutes after I'd dropped her off they phoned and said "She's had an accident already, can you come and change her or pick her up and take her home? So I said I would come back and change her, I was annoyed at the suggestion that I might want to come and take her home just
because she had pooed in a pull up, it's not as though it was diarrhoea.

When I got there she was standing in the toilet with her pull up and trousers off just waiting to be wiped as "They're not allowed to wipe them"
Now this time I was only a few mins away as it happened soon after I'd left but if it happened later and I'd got home it would take me 15-20 mins to get back, are they really going to have her standing in the loo for that long waiting for me to go back?

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sami, what does hlta stand for please?

Sami_Bee

andrealm wrote: »

When I got there she was standing in the toilet with her pull up and trousers off just waiting to be wiped as "They're not allowed to wipe them"
Now this time I was only a few mins away as it happened soon after I'd left but if it happened later and I'd got home it would take me 15-20 mins to get back, are they really going to have her standing in the loo for that long waiting for me to go back?

OMG that is awful! Did they remove her pull up or had she taken it off?
I'd be having serious words, it is not acceptable to leave a child half naked like that IMO