Sky cards from XL Trading

XLTradingUK

JasonLVC wrote: »

Individual trading is called a sole trader, which the companies act does cover.

Any person trading commercially on ebay is also a sole trade and should regester with HMRC for personal income purposes. HMRC regularly pull up 'traders' who are actually trading commercially....I should know this as I am heavily involved in tax investigations of this nature.

Another link here :-

http://www.out-law.com/page-431

Which outlines in simple terms the basic requirements of a website trading in the UK - again, do not confuse ebay with commercial enterprise.

Whether your trade is legal or otherwise is not the point being made here, the point being made in this post is that your website and 'business' are not compliant with a variety of UK enacted law and therefore suggests your business is exposed to attack from a variety of source law.

You other defence seems to be that "I ain't been closed down yet" - that does not validate your legality, it only demonstrates the pathetic failings in consumer protection law. There was a long running thread on this site about a 14 year old kid who scammed millions out of people selling mobile phones and electronic goods - he was finally caught but never charged and no doubt will setup another trade under a different guise....so until your website is reported to Sky, HMRC and local trading standards you would be free to continue trading.

Wrong.

A sole trader is entirely different to an individual.
eBay and PayPal class both as totally different... next theory please.

We are not 'exposed to attack' - people would like to make false assumptions about our site, hence this thread and the attacks on it.. we have a legal team that deals with that sort of thing

Again.. if you knew so much... why do you think we have not been prosecuted? There are NO loopholes with us (we would not use them anyway if there were) as we work to the set rules in UK law.
Unless you are someone decorated in the legal profession - don't even

I think I recall the 14 year old kid a long time ago - I thought he had been punished and made to pay the cash back was he not, that he had still got in his possession? Will have to Google that.

Again, did you not read the part that says - we get our cards direct from Sky?? People seem to be missing this part.. I will make it bigger for people to read.

WE GET OUR CARDS -DIRECT- FROM SKY!
WE PAY DIRECT TO SKY FOR THEM!

kiwifruit wrote: »

with respect, please dont try to patronize me. I have asked a question thats all - if your not up to answering it, thats ok - but no need to be rude.

Then I apologise for being patronising - but having stated this MANY times in this thread, maybe you should possibly -respectfully- re-read the entire thread?

Again, best wishes to you and yours.

1984ReturnsForReal_2

XLTradingUK wrote: »

Wrong.

By the way, he is right.



Your a complete (using your own decription) t*t, who knows nothing about the Companies Act & its relationship with Sole Traders & your own "company".

Tomorrow I am contacting the Department for Business, Enterprise and Regulatory Reform & asking them who investigates breaches of the Companies Act. It used to be the DTI but that has merged.

Night Night..

XLTradingUK

1984ReturnsForReal wrote: »

By the way, he is right.



Your a complete (using your own decription) t*t, who knows nothing about the Companies Act & its relationship with Sole Traders & your own "company".

Tomorrow I am contacting the Department for Business, Enterprise and Regulatory Reform & asking them who investigates breaches of the Companies Act. It used to be the DTI but that has merged.

Night Night..

Really

Please do indeed, we will be happy to speak to anyone about our site (or rather our legal team will do so).
Please check the PayPal and eBay notices on individual and sole trader accounts before you publish rubbish to a public forum.

Good night

kiwifruit_2

XLTradingUK wrote: »

Wrong.



Then I apologise for being patronising - but having stated this MANY times in this thread, maybe you should possibly -respectfully- re-read the entire thread?

Again, best wishes to you and yours.

I have read the entire thread, but thank you for the advice. No need for the best wishes though.

JasonLVC

Strange that, as a fully qualified and practicing accountant and tax lawyer (check out my location and view my posts which are mostly tax and business related), you'd think I would know the difference between a sole trader and a limited company.....I live in Geneva most of the time and represent multi-national corporations handle their tax affairs.

But apparently I'm wrong.

I'm not bothered about the rest of your posts, couldn care less whether the cards are legit or not. I've not mentioned whether nyour cards are legit or not, I don't care.

I'll repeat, your business is breaking a number of trading acts - if you are trading (and your trading name is called XL TRADING;)) then you are liable to income tax deducation on your income and to register as a trader. Even if you have registered your website as a non-trading individual doesn't change the fact you are charging money for goods and receiving income as a result.

To put it another way, why do plumbers and sparkies and anyone else that has a trade bother with all that crap if all they have to do is say "I'm an individual and any money I earn is mine to keep, go away Mr taxman, boohoo".

I'll go speak to my clients tomorrow and let them know they don't have to set up in Lichtenstein anymore, all they have to do is call themselves 'individuals'.

1984ReturnsForReal_2

http://www.insolvency.gov.uk/cib/

Oh look, its part of the Department for Business, Innovation & Skills.

Its the Companies Investigation Branch.

They look into people that run illegal websites that break the Companies Act.

Lube

No one has asked me to come and join in this little debacle as you put it

I just checked your web site for info and found no contact details which comply with EU trade laws.

Just because you haven't been closed down yet or amended your web site to make it legal, mealy that the authorities have not been informed or acted upon as yet. We wait with baited breathe

XLTradingUK wrote: »

Can we just not bother..
Because I'm guessing one of the losers in this thread has asked you to come and join in this little debacle.

I will say one more time kids:
If it was ILLEGAL - we would have been CLOSED by now.
We have a very good and very big law firm working for us in the UK who sits and works out what we can and what we cannot do on the site - it costs us an arm and a leg, but its worth it because it stops ridiculous threads like these.

Thankyou and goodnight

XLTradingUK

kiwifruit wrote: »

I have read the entire thread, but thank you for the advice. No need for the best wishes though.

No need to be rude - I apologised for the sarcastic thread.
You can show me the same decency can you not?

JasonLVC wrote: »

Strange that, as a fully qualified and practicing accountant and tax lawyer (check out my location and view my posts which are mostly tax and business related), you'd think I would know the difference between a sole trader and a limited company.....I live in Geneva most of the time and represent multi-national corporations handle their tax affairs.

Do you know - this forum is fantastic.
I have 'practising' solicitors, lawyers and attorneys every side of me today
Now we have your goodself... we just need a millionaire to come in and tell us about our business and we will have the full set... you are not a millionaire too by any chance?

Oh OK.. so by using Swiss accounts... they are not trying to avoid taxation then I take it - or did I miss something with swiss bank accounts? Enlighten me. We were also talking about sole traders and INDIVIDUALS also .. not sole trader and limited companies mate.. totally different ballgame.

But apparently I'm wrong.

Are you?

I'm not bothered about the rest of your posts, couldn care less whether the cards are legit or not. I've not mentioned whether nyour cards are legit or not, I don't care.

But you are though.. that the thing you see.. I will post something back, you will post something trying to outdo it.
That is what has been going on all day today.
The cards are legit - we get them, saying it again... direct from SKY.

I'll repeat, your business is breaking a number of trading acts - if you are trading (and your trading name is called XL TRADING;)) then you are liable to income tax deducation on your income and to register as a trader. Even if you have registered your website as a non-trading individual doesn't change the fact you are charging money for goods and receiving income as a result.

No its not though
The site was as mentioned, not registered... the XL Trading is just that a name - a simple concoction of two words.
If it was XL Trading LTD which we would like it to be shortly, then we could discuss it.
We offer our time in duplication, which is like many sites on the net.
Unless you know the legal ins and outs of UK copyright law, please don't get involved.

To put it another way, why do plumbers and sparkies and anyone else that has a trade bother with all that crap if all they have to do is say "I'm an individual and any money I earn is mine to keep, go away Mr taxman, boohoo".

Really, how do you know many of them do not do that. We only offer our time and service on our site.

I'll go speak to my clients tomorrow and let them know they don't have to set up in Lichtenstein anymore, all they have to do is call themselves 'individuals'.

Keep them in Switzerland mate - they can avoid the tax there 'allegedly!'

1984ReturnsForReal wrote: »

http://www.insolvency.gov.uk/cib/
Oh look, its part of the Department for Business, Innovation & Skills.
Its the Companies Investigation Branch.
They look into people that run illegal websites that break the Companies Act.

Which we do not do - nor are we an 'illegal' website by the way.
Would you be insinuating that we are running an illegal website can we ask - on a public forum?

Lube wrote: »

No one has asked me to come and join in this little debacle as you put it
I just checked your web site for info and found no contact details which comply with EU trade laws.
Just because you haven't been closed down yet or amended your web site to make it legal, mealy that the authorities have not been informed or acted upon as yet. We wait with baited breathe

How nosy people are on this site!
We have discussed this in depth earlier in the thread - but a simplified version (quick version more the less)

1. Client registers and places order
2. Client HAS to agree to terms and conditions box.. pays via secure checkout option
3. The payment is protected 100% at all times for 60 days I believe... the client can see our details if they need them.

We withold nothing on the site, and we do not hide our address at all - it just happens to be, that we are moving location at the moment, which we will then update on the contact us section.
As long as we can be contacted by clients, nothing is illegal so I am informed.

Many people are awaiting our closure with baited breaths it seems - but again, nothing illegal on our site.

CharlieBilly wrote: »

How can you sell wii games for £3.50. You must either be selling 2nd hand and bought at silly prices which is doubtful or I suspect copies

Also newish dvd's at £3.50

10,000 BC + £3.50 Play.com £6.99
101 Dalmations Platinum Edition £3.50 Play.com £14.99

Re-read the thread mate
It is a service you pay for.

We are going into accusing us of piracy again by the way - don't do it.

CharlieBilly

How can you sell wii games for £3.50. You must either be selling 2nd hand and bought at silly prices which is doubtful or I suspect copies

Also newish dvd's at £3.50

10,000 BC + £3.50 Play.com £6.99
101 Dalmations Platinum Edition £3.50 Play.com £14.99

kiwifruit_2

XLTradingUK wrote: »

No need to be rude - I apologised for the sarcastic thread.
You can show me the same decency can you not?

Of course I can, and I did in my first post. You decided to question my posting by suggesting I step off the train. Your sarcasm at the end of your post(s) were unnecessary. If you feel I have offended you, of course I apologise, but I asked a simple question of which you havent answered, instead assuming Id not read the entire thread and questioning whether I knew about libel/defamation/slander. Id have not asked the question if I didnt know. I merely found it strange that for such a complex legal defination for one or all three of those, you would direct someone to wikipedia when you clearly have a legal team that you consult - that was all I was suggesting.

However, maybe you would be kind enough to enlighten me about this. These 'sky' cards you have - and apologies if I get something wrong, Im sure you will correct me. They are £30 -£40 for 2-3months viewing?? Why would someone require/need one of these when as a Sky customer they already have one? Genuine question as Im a Sky customer and have been for years and years, and I have never had to do anything with my card until recently when I was sent a new one. So Im unsure what the purpose of yours are.
Thanks in advance .