Disabled Parking Rant!!!!!

missile

juliescot wrote: »

Not aware of anyone having said it is "right" for people to park there without displaying a blue badge.
Could you please point out my criticism of your earlier post please.

You did, here>

juliescot wrote: »

And that poster was within his or her rights so to do.

Later you qualified this to everyone has the "legal" right to park in a disabled space. IMHO, the absence of a law does not give you the legal or natural right to do whatever. Following this logic, you would have the right to occupy a disabled seat on public transport, ignore keep off the grass signs, shout in a public library, cycle on the pavement, fart in a restaurant etc

Unity

missile wrote: »

>>Following this logic, you would have the right to occupy a disabled seat on public transport, ignore keep off the grass signs, shout in a public library, cycle on the pavement, fart in a restaurant etc <<

I don't want to trivialise what is a very important issue and one that has often caused me problems, but your turn of phrase really cracked me up:rotfl:. Apart from farting in a restaurant these are all things I have wanted to do at one time or another - together with running across a pristine bowling green in stiletto heels :eek:.

Since the supermarket owns the land, presumably there is nothing to stop them towing vehicles away, where the owners won't observe the rules. Better still if they employ a disabled part-timer with short term memory loss, like me - to oversee it, they will forget where they have towed them to .

juliescot

missile wrote: »

You did, here>

Later you qualified this to everyone has the "legal" right to park in a disabled space. IMHO, the absence of a law does not give you the legal or natural right to do whatever. Following this logic, you would have the right to occupy a disabled seat on public transport, ignore keep off the grass signs, shout in a public library, cycle on the pavement, fart in a restaurant etc

Goodness so I did - apologies.

Are there rules about farting in restaurants?

Must tell my DS.

And not wishing to fire up this debate again but what do you mean by "natural right" - do you mean moral right?

missile

juliescot wrote: »

Goodness so I did - apologies.

Are there rules about farting in restaurants?

Must tell my DS.

And not wishing to fire up this debate again but what do you mean by "natural right" - do you mean moral right?

At long last we seem to be in agreement:j I would rather not risk any further discussion with you.

Ruby_Moon

ShaShaSha wrote: »

Im getting to the end of my tether with disabled parking bays. I was born with my disability and as disabled do, struggle daily. I use a wheelchair for any walking distances more than a few steps. I also have a daughter and im pregnant

Me and my OH went to tescos the other day, and we sat and waited on a disabled space for 40 minutes before deciding to park on the double yellow lines beside the trolleys as our daughter was getting restless and I needed to use the loo (AGAIN!!!) We parked along side the trolleys so that they could still get the trolleys in and we werent causing an obstruction and stuck the badge up.

We entered the store and whilst I was in the loo the security approached my OH and told him he would have to move the car. When he said there was no disabled spaces he said that wasnt his fault and told us to move.

I came rolling out and said 'so you want me to go back to my car, get myself in and move my car to a normal space hoping no-one parks beside me and then get myself back out to then go shopping?' when he didnt reply I just left him standing. We went to the baby aisle for our daughters milk and nappies, and noticed the security guard coming towards us. He again told us we would have to move the car, to which I replied 'go and ask someone without a disabled badge to move! nearly all of them arnt showing one' he then kept pestering us around the store as we went and got teething gel and some other bits before heading to the tills, he followed us there and then followed us to the car.

I asked to speak to the manager to complain about his behaviour since the problem with disabled parking is the reason why I had to park there, but he 'wasnt available'. I got so peed off I just left. I could have parked further away in a normal space, but why should I when inconsiderate people are parking right at the front door??? I find it hard enough pushing myself round tescos on my chair never mind half way across an unstable carpark and the possibility of not being able to get back in because someone has parked beside me?




anyone having a lot of problems with parking bays?? Is there anything that can be done?!? I do sometimes use parent and baby parking, but they are sparse also. And unless I have the space to get into my chair, I dont really have any other option.


grrr rant over :rolleyes:

I understand your frusdtration but two wrongs dont make a right.

You should not have parked where you did and you know that.

The security man was only doing his job and that job does NOT include asking people who dont show a blue badge to move their car.

The whole "they dont have a blue badge" parking war is noone elses business other than the person parking and the store.

We are not privvy to every single reason why a blue badge is not on display and nor do we know whether or not those people have already cleared it with the shop in question.

All you (and anyone else) need worry about is if YOU are doing right by others.

Ruby_Moon

jenhug wrote: »

our local supermarket clamps people in their bays without a blue badge. £75 +vat for removal of clamp.

Where is that?

Ruby_Moon

juliescot wrote: »

I do feel MSE are to be commended in helping people avoid unnecessary payments,

If you feel the provision of spaces, or the policing of them, is in someway inadeqaute the why not take it up with the supermarket?
As I have posted before if they were in anyway concerned they would find a way to deal with this problem, but they seem not to.

I know what the poster means......but do draw a line at criminal behaviour.

It was a problem before ( I mean before the easy access to information) that people abused car parking bays meant for disabled.

Now, after we have had it rammed down our throats that "parking in a disabled bay wont get you fined because its illegal", it seems that there is a helluva lot more people abusing the system because "we know our rights".

Sometimes helping others isnt always for the 'greater good'.

SmallEnglish

Jojo_the_Tightfisted wrote: »

Fair enough. So I wait around to say hello to someone so pig ignorant that they insist on parking in a space intended to help a person of reduced mobility, just because they now know they won't suffer a penalty for it, and say

I'd just like to remind people that there are other forms of disability. Quite often I've had abuse from other disabled space users when taking my sister, who has learning disabilities, shopping. She's likely to walk in front of a car without thinking so the less distance there is to cross the car park the better.

Yes she does have a badge and yes we display it appropriately but yet there are some people who seem to think that she isn't disabled enough and insist on humiliating her.

Just because someone can walk does not mean they are not disabled. It is down to the local authority to decide is someone is eligible for a badge not the general public.

juliescot

Ruby_Moon wrote: »

I know what the poster means......but do draw a line at criminal behaviour.

It was a problem before ( I mean before the easy access to information) that people abused car parking bays meant for disabled.

Now, after we have had it rammed down our throats that "parking in a disabled bay wont get you fined because its illegal", it seems that there is a helluva lot more people abusing the system because "we know our rights".

Sometimes helping others isnt always for the 'greater good'.

If highlighting the issue makes supermarkets actually think about how they can help their customers and resolve this then that is for the good of all.

You will always get people who abuse systems - sadly.

kingfisherblue

Someone said earlier about a younger disabled person using a disabled bay with a blue badge, but older people seeming to think that it is only those over 65 who should park in these spaces. My son is eleven and has been disabled since birth. He has had a blue badge from about 2 or 3 years old - the earliest that we could get one for him. At the supermarket, I park in a disabled bay and he walks to the trollies with me - as he can walk short distances - but then sits in the main body of the trolley where the shopping goes. I can't take his wheelchair as it is a child sized one and the clumsy trollies that fix onto wheelchairs do not fit. Nor can I put him into one of the store's wheelchairs as he is too small.

We have had some glares from people when we park in a disabled space, but no one has ever said anything to me. A friend has had a few comments, though,although her daughter has the same condition as my son. Age is no indication of disability.

Also, as SmallEnglish states, people can be disabled but still able to walk. My son, who has Down's syndrome, can only walk for short distances for two reasons - breathing difficulties and hypermobile joints. If he walks any distance, it becomes painful for him both in his chest and in his legs. Hence the main reason for his blue badge. His learning disability has also been taken into account, as he is sometimes liable to run into the road without any thought for traffic. Naturally, we have always worked hard to teach him road safety, but there are still times when he forgets everything that we have tried to teach him.

Regarding legal versus moral rights, I only ever use a disabled bay when my son is with me.