Council Pay Freeze

Johnny_Doe

Former_Spice wrote: »

IT IS NOT FREE. Paid for by 6-7.5% contributions taken out salary for a pension that can be reduced by simply making up a silly excuse (happened a couple of years ago). Averages at 4K, no-one looks forward to living in poverty.

Is this true? do you not have non contributary 45ths or 60ths of final salary? 4k average per annum? seems similar to an average private sector defined contribution scheme?!

StevieJ

wxmlad wrote: »

your not paying me to do sod all, your paying me to work - which i do

I wouldn't bother mate, you are dealing with the the Daily Mail brigade

lemonjelly

Thrugelmir wrote: »

What has to be considered though. Is that between 1997 and 2007. Half of all new jobs created where in the public sector. Around 500,000.

With the state of the public finances and reduced taxation income. Julys taxation income was truly shocking. We cannot afford the public sector as it currently stands.

A way has to be found by cutting costs. If not by jobs then by pay.

Agree completely. I think that efficiency savings can & should (& indeed will have to be) made.

My concern though, is that the decision makers who choose where the cuts happen will pick easier options, and protect whatever VI they have. I anticipate they'll cut grants to voluntary organisations and cut services before they cut frivolous jobs which are less urgent.

This has a knock on effect of increasing the public perception of public sector wastrels.

A bit like the politicians, it is society's responsibility to fix this, by voting, making representations to MP's, councillors and the like. They work for you, they are public servants too remember. We, as a society should ensure that they remain as public servants, rather than allow them to service their own interests.

CluelessJock

wxmlad wrote: »

how do we know you dont sit around doing sod all most of the day.

You would just be green with envy if I told you what I do all day and I wouldn't be that cruel.

CluelessJock

Johnny_Doe wrote: »

Is this true? do you not have non contributary 45ths or 60ths of final salary? 4k average per annum? seems similar to an average private sector defined contribution scheme?!

Depends whether it's a council pension or Civil Service.

The_White_Horse

wxmlad wrote: »

your hilarious.........

..."you're"

movingforward2010

CluelessJock wrote: »

You would just be green with envy if I told you what I do all day and I wouldn't be that cruel.

please tell us

The_White_Horse

the point is, no one is having a go at individuals. people are simply saying the public sector is overblown and employs too many people. whatever it is that you and your "team" does, if you were in the private sector, there would be 50% less of you doing the same thing.


plus, people also think that if you don't like the public sector pay, then you can leave and work in the private sector. there is a reason why the majority of public sector workers stay in the public sector.

movingforward2010

StevieJ wrote: »

I wouldn't bother mate, you are dealing with the the Daily Mail brigade

i was starting to think that

movingforward2010

The_White_Horse wrote: »

the point is, no one is having a go at individuals. people are simply saying the public sector is overblown and employs too many people. whatever it is that you and your "team" does, if you were in the private sector, there would be 50% less of you doing the same thing.


plus, people also think that if you don't like the public sector pay, then you can leave and work in the private sector. there is a reason why the majority of public sector workers stay in the public sector.

I do think its wrong for people to start throwing personal insults just because some works at the council