I wish you could sue smokers!

momoyama

marleyboy wrote: »

To be fair, you really are not in a position to know for sure, you only THINK you know, based merely on your own perception, not theirs.

It's nothing to do with my perception. "Enjoying" smoking is actually the meeting of a chemical desire (addiction). You satisfy the addiction, you believe you are enjoying it. This is part of why I won't start smoking; I won't be slave to a chemical

momoyama

marleyboy wrote: »

The majority are neither thoughtless, careless, abusive, ignorant, stubborn, non caring or inconsiderate. There may be a small minority, but no different to the small minority of Drinkers, Drivers or non smokers.

In my experience, the majority of smokers are thoughtless, careless, abusive and inconsiderate. That's my whole issue. Your point is well made and I can only try to make a leap that the addiction overules the individual's normal behaviour. It certainly is ironic that people who's profession involves saving lives engage in a life-shortening activity, and so on.

momoyama

hartcjhart wrote: »

most landlords are worse off since the smoking ban

Yes, I realise this and don't pub's to close anymore than anyone else. This is why, as you'll read elsewhere on this thread that I'm all in favour of indoor smoking... in segregated areas.

hartcjhart wrote: »

it is you and your like that FORCED us tu huddle outside dont forget

No, we forced you out of the new non-smoking area. We didn't force you to huddle in the doorway. That's your (thoughtless, careless, whatever else) decision

momoyama

hartcjhart wrote: »

Ahh I see, is there anything else we can do for you while we are there,wash the car polish your shoe's

Spit and polish? Not with what goes in your mouth, no thanks.

momoyama

Proc wrote: »

I'm a smoker.

It's not too late to stop.

Proc wrote: »

However, I don't think it's smokers that are the problem - it's just inconsiderate people...

Entirely fair. Spot on. The problem is that in my experience, probably 99% of smokers are inconsiderate. Of course this means the innocent are tarred with the same brush. Unfortunate.

momoyama

McKneff wrote: »

You and your son can go anywhere you please, if a smoker lights up next to your son, then move, simple.

No. No, no, no and a thousand times more NO.

Why should the parent and son move? You're the smoker, YOU don't go there in the first place. Basic common sense and basic thought for others.

Your argument is akin to me randomly firing my shotgun in public without regard for other people and then blaming those I shoot for being in the way!

McKneff

No. No, no, no and a thousand times more NO.

Calm down missus, its only a thread,

I asked in one post if you were on something. If not, then you maybe need to be,
Or have a very calming Benson & Hedges:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

marleyboy

Bettyboop wrote: »

Been off this thread for a while but would like to add that I know some people who earn double the money we do but at the same time complain how they cant afford x, y and z HOWEVER, one of them smokes quite heavily maybe a packet a day so I have been told so doing the math would that be around £200 a month? If anyone is facing hardship and you really don't have money for anything why continue smoking? It breaks the bank and quite simply stuffs up your health. What is so great about it? It stinks, it looks vile and I don't even know how you get rid of the odours that come from it?

The NHS offer a giving up smoking service whilst it isn't for everybody it's a way and means to improve yourself and your life... which we only have one of!

is it feasable, that they DONT WANT TO, theres a local AA in our City, I see many drunkards, homeless and destitute, begging so they can buy a fix, albeit I dont see them at the AA, maybe for the same reason.

marleyboy

Bettyboop wrote: »

Buy an umbrella and huddle up together. That way you can breathe each others stinky smoke and be cosey and warm what is so hard about that?

As far as I am aware, smokers DO huddle together, I don't see them anywhere else, neither in the Bars, the shops, on public transport, deliberately approaching non smokers. I would suggest likewise, that you huddle where its cosy and warm where Smoking ISN'T allowed like, in the pub, in the office, in the shop, in the cinema, anywhere cosy and warm inside, leaving the smokers to huddle where they are allowed to, out in the cold, wet, smog ridden streets. What is so hard about that?

marleyboy

Bettyboop wrote: »

We whinge because most smokers stand right at the entrance or on the left or right. Non smokers find the stench that comes from it very overpowering... I have had headaches in the past from the smell.... Perhaps standing well away from entrances and exits would make it so much better!

I get headaches from crossing the smog filled streets every day, that place huddled with vehicles, I dont smoke, but still object to smelling like the back and of a truck everywhere I go.

I cant say I go home stinking of cigarettes, mainly because I dont linger where smokers designated areas are, like entrances and exits, those places where the building owner says "Smoke there".

I've said it before, if you have a problem with a smokers designated area, take it up with the owner NOT the smoker.

Whilst smoking remains a legal choice, smokers will smoke where they can, not where they want.