I wish you could sue smokers!

Bettyboop

hartcjhart wrote: »

but we do and you lot still bl**dy whinge:mad::mad:

We whinge because most smokers stand right at the entrance or on the left or right. Non smokers find the stench that comes from it very overpowering... I have had headaches in the past from the smell.... Perhaps standing well away from entrances and exits would make it so much better!

hartcjhart

Bettyboop wrote: »

We whinge because most smokers stand right at the entrance or on the left or right. Non smokers find the stench that comes from it very overpowering... I have had headaches in the past from the smell.... Perhaps standing well away from entrances and exits would make it so much better!

Ahh I see, is there anything else we can do for you while we are there,wash the car polish your shoe's

Bettyboop

hartcjhart wrote: »

Ahh I see, is there anything else we can do for you while we are there,wash the car polish your shoe's

, that would be nice... ha ha very funny.

chou_123

It's a shame that this thread has turned into a nasty fight between the pros and antis. For what it's worth, I don't smoke because I respect my body, and I don't ever want to, even if cigarettes ever become ridiculously cheap. However, I realise that smoking is highly addictive, so is hard to give up. I appreciate it when people light up considerately, but, more often than not, people don't. And that is annoying.

Proc

I'm a smoker.

However, I don't think it's smokers that are the problem - it's just inconsiderate people. You get inconsiderate drivers who drive too fast, inconsiderate people with phones who talk in a quiet section on a train or library, inconsiderate people playing music, inconsiderate people dropping gum on the floor.

Would I wish a ban on all of these things? No, we can only put measures in place to force inconsiderate people to be less obtrusive (smoking areas, quiet coaches on trains, fines for dropping litter etc).

If someone blows smoke in your face, or near you, that's a pretty rude thing to do. Are you going to die from it? No. You'll pick up a lot more posioning from car fumes walking through a busy city centre. Smokers are just easier to target and sacrifice.

OrkneyStar

My main request of any smoker nowadays is that if they want to light up can they please not do it next to my 2 year old son ? Since he was born I forget that smoke makes me smelly (long hair) or harms me, and simply care that it is not allowed to harm my son too.
Surely if I can respect a smokers right to smoke then they can respect my and my sons right not to be smoked over ?
I do think anyone who smokes should seriously consider giving up, for their own health, and their families too (who won't want them to die early!), but equally a smoker is entitled to think I should seriously consider giving up chocolate (or any other thing which is also potentially harmful to health).
I kind of agree with Proc that you can have considrate and in-considerate people in all walks of life and it tends to be the in-considerate ones who cause most of the problems!
The one advantage of having a nation of smokers is all the taxes they pay , however I would support measures to encourage people to give up, despite this lack of income!

McKneff

My main request of any smoker nowadays is that if they want to light up can they please not do it next to my 2 year old son ? Since he was born I forget that smoke makes me smelly (long hair) or harms me, and simply care that it is not allowed to harm my son too.
Surely if I can respect a smokers right to smoke then they can respect my and my sons right not to be smoked over ?

But we are (or have been forced) to smoke outside. You and your son can go anywhere you please, if a smoker lights up next to your son, then move, simple.
I was asked to move whilst smoking a ciggie in the front street by someone who was just standing next to me. I just politely ignored him.

oldone_2

One of the arguments put forward by smokers is that the taxes they pay more than cover any NHS help they need.
I have been made aware, by friends that are smokers, that an increasing number are either buying duty free, or smuggled tax free cigs; so that particular argument may not hold water for much longer, especially if this government continues to increase taxes on tobacco.

OrkneyStar

McKneff wrote: »

OrkneyStar wrote: »

My main request of any smoker nowadays is that if they want to light up can they please not do it next to my 2 year old son ? Since he was born I forget that smoke makes me smelly (long hair) or harms me, and simply care that it is not allowed to harm my son too.
Surely if I can respect a smokers right to smoke then they can respect my and my sons right not to be smoked over ?
I do think anyone who smokes should seriously consider giving up, for their own health, and their families too (who won't want them to die early!), but equally a smoker is entitled to think I should seriously consider giving up chocolate (or any other thing which is also potentially harmful to health).
I kind of agree with Proc that you can have considrate and in-considerate people in all walks of life and it tends to be the in-considerate ones who cause most of the problems!
The one advantage of having a nation of smokers is all the taxes they pay , however I would support measures to encourage people to give up, despite this lack of income!

But we are (or have been forced) to smoke outside. You and your son can go anywhere you please, if a smoker lights up next to your son, then move, simple.
I was asked to move whilst smoking a ciggie in the front street by someone who was just standing next to me. I just politely ignored him.

If the non-smoker was there first and you walk along, stand beside him/her and light up then you are downright rude.
If you were there first then the non-smoker, if they had any sense, would not stand next to you (and if they do then of course they should not ask you to stop!).
Here I am talking specifically about open spaces that are not designated smoking areas, eg the street, bus-stops, the park etc.
The smoker is no less able to move than I am so why do you think the non-smoker should always move ? Just because smoking is banned indoors does not mean smokers have a monopoly on the outdoors!
As for specific smoking areas (eg pub gardens etc) I would not take my son there in the first place.
As I said I have no problem with smokers in general, in fact I know some very nice ones, just the inconsiderate ones who think everyone else has to adapt to their habit!

momoyama

marleyboy wrote: »

No smoker needs to give a reason to ANYONE why they do it, as it is their RIGHT, they choose to do it, the Government says they can, so let them.

Going around in circles. Your statement is fair so long as the other side is considered - that being that non-smokers have just as much right to not be smoked around.