what new phone?

cyberbob

m5rcc wrote: »

This is why

Scaremongering and as others have said over 2 years old. Most other phones are desperatly trying to copy the iphone and for good reasons too.

Blackberry is the exception to this. If I didnt have a blackberry i would have an iphone (my wife has one). My wife used to have and HTC which was a horrible phone. Slow poor wifi and a terrible keyboard. We only kept it for 3 months.

charley83

Why does every post have to turn into a versus row :rolleyes:

I think I'm going to keep my opinions on the iPhone to myself

BACK TO THE OP... I have just had the Sony Ericsson W995 which has a good range of basic features - 8.1. MP camera, clear screen, good sound etc. Also, I know someone with the C905 and that's also a nice phone.

I've generally had Sony Ericsson phones as there easy for me to use/navigate so can only really comment on these but I'm guessing there's other competitors with similar specs, but can recommend those two for your needs.

You can see them in more detail on here:
http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/home

charley83

...I also think the X1 looks nice but haven't read reviews/ used one

Marty_J

asininity wrote: »

Well theres no evidence of that happening so it should be fine.

There are "Google-free" Android phones, there are "Strings attached" Android phones, and there are "Google Experience" Android phones.

You can't use the apps that come with the HTC Hero on another Android phone. The "openness" restricts the user's experience.

Theres a potental 40GB storage not to mention you can swap one SD card for another, I'd say thats an advantage as far as I'm concerned. Cameras an advantage true, and we know android doesn't need massively powerful hardware to run really well. Multi-touch will be avaliable for the galaxy if not offically supported. Its avaliable for the G1 and HTC Magic/Hero. The galaxy uses a different screen manufacturer.

You may not need really fast hardware, but as far as I'm aware, it's still slower than the iPhone on all of its available handsets.

And the G1 didn't have multi-touch because Apple asked Google to leave it out. Google are in bed with Apple (though not so much these days), and Google have a lot to gain from the iPhone's success too. They make lots of apps for it, and it even comes with some pre-installed.

Anyway dont get me started on multi-touch and how its impossible for apple to patent something that existed before it implemented it.

Apple didn't patent multi-touch, just their implementation of it.

True but maybe android doesn't have that many bored people?

lol....possibly, though Google employees have to spend 20% of their time working on "personal projects", so you'd think they would have loads of free time.

asininity

Marty_J wrote: »

There are "Google-free" Android phones, there are "Strings attached" Android phones, and there are "Google Experience" Android phones.

I thought the above was down to how you get firmware updates. If it isn't you'll have to explain.

You can't use the apps that come with the HTC Hero on another Android phone. The "openness" restricts the user's experience.

I'm assuming this is like when firefox updates and some of its addons dont work straight away.

You may not need really fast hardware, but as far as I'm aware, it's still slower than the iPhone on all of its available handsets.

Not noticeably slower. In the comparisons I've seen say between the iphone and hero, most is a slight slower browsing experience. Now when the Galaxy is out for a while we'll see.

And the G1 didn't have multi-touch because Apple asked Google to leave it out. Google are in bed with Apple (though not so much these days), and Google have a lot to gain from the iPhone's success too. They make lots of apps for it, and it even comes with some pre-installed.

The G1 did. The driver is in the mainline kernel and many people know to use it. This has made it easier to find out the way for enabling multitouch on G1 and Magic. The trick was only to uncomment some lines of the Synaptics I2C driver (synaptics_i2c_rmi.c: lines 132-151) and patch the Apps to use multitouch. And once the geeks had done that they made tutorials for the rest of us. I'd say they have a lot to gain from android too.

Apple didn't patent multi-touch, just their implementation of it.

That might be so but they cant stop others using multi touch, I think thats why the pre is still around.

Marty_J

asininity wrote: »

I thought the above was down to how you get firmware updates. If it isn't you'll have to explain.

And what software the phone comes with, and what sort of UI it has.

That might be so but they cant stop others using multi touch, I think thats why the pre is still around.

Of course they cant stop anyone using multi-touch, as they didn't patent it.

asininity

Marty_J wrote: »

And what software the phone comes with, and what sort of UI it has.

I dont see that as a bad thing. Just means each manufacturer can customise it for there specific hardware if they want to which is a good thing as unlike the iphone OS android is meant for more that just one phone. This obviously means that some vendors might implement it badly but its better than a monopoly where extortionate prices are common place.

Android isn't really in direct competition with the iphone. The iphones just the iphone. Androids in direct competition with win mobile. It can do what the iphone can do on cheaper hardware and doesnt come with the licence restrictions win mobile does or its out dated OS, which is good for the manufacturers. And its availiable from more than one source and thats good for customers looking for a good deal

Of course they cant stop anyone using multi-touch, as they didn't patent it.

Have apple decided not to go after palm then? Or were they just making threats for fun.

Marty_J

asininity wrote: »

I dont see that as a bad thing. Just means each manufacturer can customise it for there specific hardware if they want to which is a good thing as unlike the iphone OS android is meant for more that just one phone. This obviously means that some vendors might implement it badly but its better than a monopoly where extortionate prices are common place.

I'm not aware anyone has a monopoly in the mobile phone market.

Android isn't really in direct competition with the iphone. The iphones just the iphone. Androids in direct competition with win mobile.

I totally agree.

It can do what the iphone can do on cheaper hardware

I've yet to see Android do what the iPhone can do, but OK.

This rather sums up what's wrong with Android (and many other open projects). Things are done in a slap-dash way without any overall direction, vision, or leadership.

and doesnt come with the licence restrictions win mobile does or its out dated OS, which is good for the manufacturers. And its availiable from more than one source and thats good for customers looking for a good deal

True, true.

Have apple decided not to go after palm then? Or were they just making threats for fun.

Apple didn't threaten anyone. Tim Cook said:

We've said since the beginning that software is the key ingredient and we believe that we are still light years ahead in software, and I would include in that software umbrella the application store, and you can see the explosion that has happened in applications with over half a billion downloads.

If you look at others – I think when you think about having multiple versions of displays, multiple variations of resolutions, and input methods and many different forms of hardware it's a big challenge to a software developer and it's not very enticing for them to build a different path for every one of these things. But we shall see what people will do.

We approach this business as a software platform business, and so I think we approach it fundamentally different than people that are approaching from it only from a hardware point of view. And so as I've said before we're very, very confident with where are competitively. We are watching the landscape. We like competition, as long as they don't rip off our IP, and if they do, we're going to go after anybody that does.

Then he was asked about the Palm Pre, and he responded:

I don't want to talk about any specific company, I'm just making a general statement that we think competition is good; it makes it us all better. And we're ready to suit up and go against anyone. However, we will not stand for having our IP ripped off and we'll use whatever weapons we have at our disposal. I don't know that I can be more clear than that.

There weren't any threats against Palm or anyone else.

asininity

Marty_J wrote: »

I'm not aware anyone has a monopoly in the mobile phone market.

I think apple want the monopoly on multi-touch and UI.

I've yet to see Android do what the iPhone can do, but OK.

OK what is it that it cant do? Apart from avoid itunes which is a bonus!

This rather sums up what's wrong with Android (and many other open projects). Things are done in a slap-dash way without any overall direction, vision, or leadership.

That articles nearly a year old and written by a sweaty machead. Not worth commenting on it.

Apple didn't threaten anyone. Tim Cook said:

Then he was asked about the Palm Pre, and he responded:

There weren't any threats against Palm or anyone else.

Dont think palm or their lawyers thought so.

Marty_J

asininity wrote: »

I think apple want the monopoly on multi-touch and UI.

What makes you say that?

Given that you can buy other phones with multi-touch, I don't think Apple have a monopoly on it.

OK what is it that it cant do?

Just off the top of my head, I saw a TV ad earlier for a car insurance company here who have an iPhone app. If you need to make a claim, you can photograph any damage, and submit it along with the rest of your claim directly from your iPhone. It even sets up an online forum for communicating with the other driver. Everyone who's anyone is developing an iPhone app.

I'm sure you'll reply that such things will come out form Android but that's very easy to say. I guess we'll see what happens.

Apart from avoid itunes which is a bonus!

What does Android use for media management?

That articles nearly a year old and written by a sweaty machead. Not worth commenting on it.

I'm sure you know that such a statement is an ad hominem logical fallacy.

Dont think palm or their lawyers thought so.

I don't know what Palm or their lawyers thought. Palm only came up because some journalist mentioned them, so I don't see why they should get their panties in a wad.