what new phone?

asininity

Always will.

What about the Galaxy, seems to meet your needs and out tomorrow by all accounts. I've found SE cameras to be rubbish no matter the mp's. Who needs a 21.1mp camera on a phone?

Marty_J

asininity wrote: »

Apple seem to thinks its a very big deal, dedicated a whole (boring - how many times do you want to demo the innovative never done before bleeding edge copy and paste function cant wait till other phones catch up!) advert to it.

Hardly surprising given the big deal iPhone detractors made about its lack of a copy and paste feature.

Better because of the linux base, honestly you should know by now.

But why does that make it better? Something being open source doesn't magically improve it. Photoshop is a much better program the the GIMP for instance.

I agree, well apart from the samsung. But at the end of the day (apart from getting dark) andriod can do what the iphone can do on something that (loosely quoting you) is a 2 year old phone. And that being said you get iphone functionality on a range of handsets not just one.

But Android running on an average handset is not going to give the same user experience as iPhone OS running on a very good handset. The typical end user doesn't know what "open source" means, and they certainly don't care if their phone's OS is or not.

Linux has so far been unable to make serious inroads in the desktop OS market, despite being totally free. Now it's on a handset and people have to pay to get it (unless you get a free phone and a free contract), and there's supposed to be an explosion of interest in it?

Isn't the Samsung Galaxy exclusively on O2?

They do, I just threw that in there as bait. I'm not that emotionally invested in any brand to have to justify flaws. Though I admit if the phone had blown up in my kids pocket and then the company tried to make me sign a legal document that stated they could sue me if I mentioned it I'd be a little annoyed.

Pretty standard practice if someone is injured by something and they settle out of court.

And if we're talking about the same thing, nothing exploded in a kid's pocket; they dropped it, it went bang, and then they claimed they were emotionally traumatised.

Now we're really not talking about android or 3.0 are we. What we're talking about is apps, and the only factor here is time.

Android has been available for only 6 months less than the iPhone SDK has. In that time, there have been released 65,000 apps for the iPhone. When the iPhone SDK was as old as Android is now, there were some 30,000 apps available.

How many have been released for Android?

If the platform can't pull developers in, good luck attracting customers. People have made small fortunes writing iPhone apps in their bedroom; that's the kind of incentive that pulls developers in, who have to eat like everyone else.

asininity

Marty_J wrote: »

Hardly surprising given the big deal iPhone detractors made about its lack of a copy and paste feature.

To be fair it should have been included from the start, that it wasn't was an oversight.

But why does that make it better? Something being open source doesn't magically improve it. Photoshop is a much better program the the GIMP for instance.

I've not mentioned that its opensource etc. I just like linux and if its on a phone why not have it plus its good. Why did you want an apple phone, probably for the same reasons.

But Android running on an average handset is not going to give the same user experience as iPhone OS running on a very good handset. The typical end user doesn't know what "open source" means, and they certainly don't care if their phone's OS is or not.

Again nothing to do with opensource. With the exception of a little lag here or there on the browser the user experience is much the same according to the reviews I've read (htc hero that is). Wonder how it'll be on a decent handset like the samsung.

Linux has so far been unable to make serious inroads in the desktop OS market, despite being totally free. Now it's on a handset and people have to pay to get it (unless you get a free phone and a free contract), and there's supposed to be an explosion of interest in it?

You're not really paying for the OS though are you, more the cost of the handset and the data allowances from the provider. If linux was run by a company like MS/Apple then it would be considered a failure, but considering its beginning and the way its run the inroads it has made are very impressive. Not to mention MS are worried and the crap Ballmer was sprouting about linux boxes being taken back more than windows is directly contradicted by Dell.

Isn't the Samsung Galaxy exclusively on O2?

I believe so yes, O2 have good business sense.

Pretty standard practice if someone is injured by something and they settle out of court.

And if we're talking about the same thing, nothing exploded in a kid's pocket; they dropped it, it went bang, and then they claimed they were emotionally traumatised.

I think I would be too.

Android has been available for only 6 months less than the iPhone SDK has. In that time, there have been released 65,000 apps for the iPhone. When the iPhone SDK was as old as Android is now, there were some 30,000 apps available.

How many have been released for Android?

I dont know.. I'll check.... Can't be bummed to do a proper search but as of the G1 (which was the only phone out) 800 that didn't include paid for apps as of Q4 last year. Maybe 1 or 2 more now.

I wonder if of those 65,000 there are any that dont get used, I wonder how many apps the average iphone user has???

If the platform can't pull developers in, good luck attracting customers. People have made small fortunes writing iPhone apps in their bedroom; that's the kind of incentive that pulls developers in, who have to eat like everyone else.

I wonder how many of those developers are writing for android as well doing the same thing? Anyway I dont think they'll find a shortage. Remember that while the core is linux and opensoucrce (and obviously useless of course according to you) the power behind the platform is google, dont think it'll fail that easily.

Marty_J

asininity wrote: »

I've not mentioned that its opensource etc. I just like linux and if its on a phone why not have it plus its good. Why did you want an apple phone, probably for the same reasons.

Because Apple make slick hardware that runs a very nice OS.

Again nothing to do with opensource. With the exception of a little lag here or there on the browser the user experience is much the same according to the reviews I've read (htc hero that is). Wonder how it'll be on a decent handset like the samsung.

That's the thing; there's no telling. It runs differently on each phone, the UI is different, the input methods are different, even how they receive updates differs.

Android is already fragmenting, just as Linux did, and its not even a year old.

I believe so yes, O2 have good business sense.

Didn't you rule out the iPhone as it was only on O2?

I dont know.. I'll check.... Can't be bummed to do a proper search but as of the G1 (which was the only phone out) 800 that didn't include paid for apps as of Q4 last year. Maybe 1 or 2 more now.

I wonder if of those 65,000 there are any that dont get used, I wonder how many apps the average iphone user has???

A greater variety than the average Android users has, that's for sure. I remember reading a few days ago (can't find the link now) that about 30 or 40 apps accounted for 80% of the total apps downloaded for Android.

Either Android has a few really amazing apps that are all anyone ever needs, or there's not a lot going on.

I wonder how many of those developers are writing for android as well doing the same thing? Anyway I dont think they'll find a shortage. Remember that while the core is linux and opensoucrce (and obviously useless of course according to you) the power behind the platform is google, dont think it'll fail that easily.

Google aren't so spectacularly successful outside of their core business. Google Accelerator, Google Video, Google X, Google Answers, Google Coupons, Google Voice Search, Google Checkout, Orkut, Jaiku and Google Lively have all enjoyed somewhat less than stellar success.

Even the much vaunted Google Chrome browser still has a tiny marketshare, depsite their ability to advertise it to two thirds of people performing an internet search. Just because something is done by Google, it doesn't mean it is going to be an unqualified success, nor are Google afraid to give up and pull the plug on something that isn't working out.

asininity

Marty_J wrote: »

Because Apple make slick hardware that runs a very nice OS.

Well I like linux cos is a brilliant OS and is very cheap and runs on pretty much anything.

That's the thing; there's no telling. It runs differently on each phone, the UI is different, the input methods are different, even how they receive updates differs.

Thats probably because they are different phones??? And is being updated???

Android is already fragmenting, just as Linux did, and its not even a year old.

Yet to see something wrong with variety. Remember something about spice of life... no its gone.

Didn't you rule out the iPhone as it was only on O2?

No ruled it out because is too expensive, I'd rule the samsung out on the same grounds too, but I dont have that data available. I've yet to hear you admit that the samsung is actually a decent specc'd phone yet and compares very well next to the iphone.

A greater variety than the average Android users has, that's for sure. I remember reading a few days ago (can't find the link now) that about 30 or 40 apps accounted for 80% of the total apps downloaded for Android.

Either Android has a few really amazing apps that are all anyone ever needs, or there's not a lot going on.

And heres me thinking you hated variety?:rolleyes: And that wouldn't surprise me either (about the 30-30 apps) I dont think I've ever needed to measure the level of something bad enough to need my phone to do it. How many of the 65000 are wasted?

Google aren't so spectacularly successful outside of their core business. Google Accelerator, Google Video, Google X, Google Answers, Google Coupons, Google Voice Search, Google Checkout, Orkut, Jaiku and Google Lively have all enjoyed somewhat less than stellar success.

Even the much vaunted Google Chrome browser still has a tiny marketshare, depsite their ability to advertise it to two thirds of people performing an internet search. Just because something is done by Google, it doesn't mean it is going to be an unqualified success, nor are Google afraid to give up and pull the plug on something that isn't working out.

I'm sure apple have had similar projects as well, but cant be bother to search. I read somewhere that Chrome wasn't eating away at IE's percentage or firefoxs but safaris percentage. Anyway chrome's gaining on safari which also has a measly percentage despite being older, mmmm;)

Marty_J

asininity wrote: »

Thats probably because they are different phones??? And is being updated???

So it makes it a bit pointless to talk about Android from an end user's point-of-view. A phone could run Android and be terrible, or run Android and be great.

Yet to see something wrong with variety. Remember something about spice of life... no its gone.

Variety is fine until it starts stunting the user's experience.

No ruled it out because is too expensive, I'd rule the samsung out on the same grounds too, but I dont have that data available. I've yet to hear you admit that the samsung is actually a decent specc'd phone yet and compares very well next to the iphone.

I haven't used one, nor have I read any reviews, so I can't comment on what it's like to use I'm afraid.

If you want to compare specs, it has a slower processor, only half as much RAM, has no dedicated graphics chip, only has 8 GB of built-in storage, and doesn't have multi-touch input; on the upside, it has an SD card slot and a 5 MP camera (not that that's going to make much difference).

I'm sure it's a perfectly good phone.

And heres me thinking you hated variety?:rolleyes: And that wouldn't surprise me either (about the 30-30 apps) I dont think I've ever needed to measure the level of something bad enough to need my phone to do it. How many of the 65000 are wasted?

If someone wants to write it, and someone else wants to use it, then not a single one is wasted. If a person wants to use their £200 phone to make fart noises, that's their business.

I'm sure apple have had similar projects as well, but cant be bother to search.

Of course. The MacBook Air springs to mind, as does the Apple TV. Both were quite innovative in their own little sphere, but neither set the world on fire.

I read somewhere that Chrome wasn't eating away at IE's percentage or firefoxs but safaris percentage. Anyway chrome's gaining on safari which also has a measly percentage despite being older, mmmm;)

Both Chrome and Safari (which both use use Apple's WebKit) are gaining in marketshare, so it's certainly not a case of one leaching from the other.

e00c

/me grabs a beer + puts his feet up. :beer:


(not literally... it's 7:45 in the morning!)

Strider590

e00c wrote: »

Hey chaps,

I have a LG Arena (KM900).

But - due to the ammount of bugs and misleading from LG... I'm looking at getting a new phone.

My reservations were well founded then!

When 3 phoned me and offered me this new LG KM900, stating it had just come out and it was the latest phone, the lady sounded extremely surprised when I turned it down in favour of a SE C903 (released Aug 2008).

The problem with the latest kit, is that normally they run out of development time and have to release an unfinished product because of contractual obligations!

My advice to anyone, is to pick something that's been around for at least 6 months.

asininity

Marty_J wrote: »

So it makes it a bit pointless to talk about Android from an end user's point-of-view. A phone could run Android and be terrible, or run Android and be great.

It could well be true but thats not happened so far, as mentioned the HTC Hero runs it very well and theres hardly a noticable difference with the iphone on userabilty (yes leopard I made that word up), and its 2 years old hardware. The thing most moaned about is the jutting chin.

Variety is fine until it starts stunting the user's experience.

Well theres no evidence of that happening so it should be fine.

I haven't used one, nor have I read any reviews, so I can't comment on what it's like to use I'm afraid.

If you want to compare specs, it has a slower processor, only half as much RAM, has no dedicated graphics chip, only has 8 GB of built-in storage, and doesn't have multi-touch input; on the upside, it has an SD card slot and a 5 MP camera (not that that's going to make much difference).

I'm sure it's a perfectly good phone.

Theres a potental 40GB storage not to mention you can swap one SD card for another, I'd say thats an advantage as far as I'm concerned. Cameras an advantage true, and we know android doesn't need massively powerful hardware to run really well. Multi-touch will be avaliable for the galaxy if not offically supported. Its avaliable for the G1 and HTC Magic/Hero. The galaxy uses a different screen manufacturer. Anyway dont get me started on multi-touch and how its impossible for apple to patent something that existed before it implemented it.

If someone wants to write it, and someone else wants to use it, then not a single one is wasted. If a person wants to use their £200 phone to make fart noises, that's their business.

True but maybe android doesn't have that many bored people?

Both Chrome and Safari (which both use use Apple's WebKit) are gaining in marketshare, so it's certainly not a case of one leaching from the other.

Well its certainly not what some sites I've looked at said, some even have chrome above safari in market share. Anyway I only bought safari up cos you bought up chrome. I'm a firefox user, though chrome is very fast.

FooJase

Marty_J wrote: »

Because Apple make slick hardware that runs a very nice OS.

It's a Telephone!!!!!!!!

And ironically, your needs can be met with a sony ericsson W850i, opera browser works on it, 1GB mem card, bluetooth and irda good clear screen and camera...