Taking drinks onto a plane.

BarbadosDream

I'd have to agree with thatsfabulous on this one.

All the airlines I have been on do state that you can only consume alcohol purchased on the plane. And that doesn't include your duty free bottle of gin they just sold you.

How else are they going to break even on the flight? Nothing to do with safety I'm sure.

phatbear wrote: »

Utter poop!!!!!!

adouglasmhor

Tozer wrote: »

Nice what you have done with my name. Really clever and very mature. Well done. not clever at all, obvious you really asked for it

Just to correct you, the powers of ship and aircraft captains is the same as the law of registration of the ship of the aircraft and the captain has pretty much the same power as a Police officer or other upholder of the law. police officers uphold the law, not make it or judge it if they did that would be a police state, I imagine from the tone of your posts you would see nothing wrong in a police state?

A captain cannot, for example, be prosecuted for kidnap if he denies disembarkation of passengers.
Yes he can if he can not justify it, he can do it for safety reasons not on a whim or to punish passengers for a perceived transgression this would be the crime of false arrest http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_arrest
It would not be theft as a Captain's prime duty is to protect the safety of the aircraft. There would be no "dishonesty" in the case you mention. Thought that was pretty obvious.There would be if he did not return it or pass it to the relevant authority for disposal, obvious to you in your made up world maybe

Try and keep it polite, even if you disagree.

Why? Your supercilious post was neither polite nor relevant and you are spouting fictions and half truths as facts without any regard for truth.

payless

cut out the hassle- where poss travel full service schedule..... most offer inclusive drinks ( most US carriers charge for booze though), food and free baggage!!

Airfrance my fav- Champagne available on med-long flight , plus until BA they fly from Brum.

mikey72

adouglasmhor wrote: »

What if someone downs a few trebles just before boarding and becomes drunk later as it works into their bloodstream? How can they enforce that?

At the risk of being sucked down to your level, it's fairly clear, if you are a safety risk, or for any other reason on the relevent CAA web page, the plane lands, you leave with the law enforcement agency, you go home by boat, you become famous for a day in the newspapers. And wikipedia isn't the best reference to quote, I'll take the CAA over it.
Try if you want to, use an internal American flight under the FAA with an Air Marshal on board if you want to be famous as well.

Tozer

adouglasmhor wrote: »

Why? Your supercilious post was neither polite nor relevant and you are spouting fictions and half truths as facts without any regard for truth.

I disagree with you. Still, I won't hold a conversation with someone who is a little childish and seems to make accusations about me so lets leave it there. You are clearly only looking for an argument but really only succeeding in making yourself look a little silly.

However, my world is not "made up" - my comments were based on my experience in law and as a pilot.

adouglasmhor

mikey72 wrote: »

At the risk of being sucked down to your level, it's fairly clear, if you are a safety risk, or for any other reason on the relevent CAA web page, the plane lands, you leave with the law enforcement agency, you go home by boat, you become famous for a day in the newspapers. And wikipedia isn't the best reference to quote, I'll take the CAA over it.
Try if you want to, use an internal American flight under the FAA with an Air Marshal on board if you want to be famous as well.

My point was there is no way that they could not tell how much someone had already consumed if they showed up with a couple of as yet undigested drinks under their belt. I am aware of the consequences but the captain is not an absolute power, he as I have now stated several times is governed by law as well. Wikipedia is a reasonable reference, not perfect but reasonably accurate, other law sites often need an account to access information. As the link pointed out other authorities have been prosecuted for false arrest, if it is unjust any immunity from prosecution is lost.

If I got drunk (not likely I think I have not had more than a couple of beers on a night out since the 1980s) on a plane the biggest risk to discipline would be my snoring annoying the other occupants of the plane, shortly followed by my GF poking me in the ribs till I woke up or turned over. Fortunately I am someone who gets tired if they drink too much and falls asleep, not someone who causes trouble for other people (except snoring - the main reason I don't like to over indulge). So I may get told of for snoring and have to use the toilet more often (If it was on Ryanair it would probably cost as much as the flight).

I am not trying to make out it is all right for people to act out on a plane after drinking. I asked a reasonable question as to how the aircrew deal with it or spot it before it happens.

adouglasmhor

Tozer wrote: »

I disagree with you. Still, I won't hold a conversation with someone who is a little childish and seems to make accusations about me so lets leave it there. You are clearly only looking for an argument but really only succeeding in making yourself look a little silly.

However, my world is not "made up" - my comments were based on my experience in law and as a pilot.

Can I have links to the Law that make a Captains word overide common law?

mikey72

adouglasmhor wrote: »

My point was there is no way that they could not tell how much someone had already consumed if they showed up with a couple of as yet undigested drinks under their belt. I am aware of the consequences but the captain is not an absolute power, he as I have now stated several times is governed by law as well. Wikipedia is a reasonable reference, not perfect but reasonably accurate, other law sites often need an account to access information. As the link pointed out other authorities have been prosecuted for false arrest, if it is unjust any immunity from prosecution is lost.

If I got drunk (not likely I think I have not had more than a couple of beers on a night out since the 1980s) on a plane the biggest risk to discipline would be my snoring annoying the other occupants of the plane, shortly followed by my GF poking me in the ribs till I woke up or turned over. Fortunately I am someone who gets tired if they drink too much and falls asleep, not someone who causes trouble for other people (except snoring - the main reason I don't like to over indulge). So I may get told of for snoring and have to use the toilet more often (If it was on Ryanair it would probably cost as much as the flight).

I am not trying to make out it is all right for people to act out on a plane after drinking. I asked a reasonable question as to how the aircrew deal with it or spot it before it happens.

I don't think even Ryanair can stop anything before it happens, but what any aircrew will do when it does happen is fairly well reported.
I still don't think a wikipedia reference to american law for a UK flight in international airspace is the most convincing arguement for your case.
If you try international law you may do better.

bagand96

There would be if he did not return it or pass it to the relevant authority for disposal, obvious to you in your made up world maybe

I don't want to get drawn into an argument, but I don't recall anyone ever stating that the airline or its staff can confiscate alcohol and keep it? Of course they have to hand it over to the relevant authorities, and that is exactly what would happen. When the police meet the aircraft the passenger and the relevant evidence would be handed over.

In reality what would happen is that if you were drinking your own alcohol you would be asked to stop. If you refused you would then be not complying with instructions of the crew, who are representing the captain, at which point the captain can decide you are a risk to flight safety and can either divert, or have you met by authrotities at destination. If you become agressive they can use reasonable force and even restrain if necessary.You can also be done for breech of the peace (or whatever the technical term is).

Tozer

adouglasmhor wrote: »

Can I have links to the Law that make a Captains word overide common law?

I'm paid to provide legal advice but not to people who insult.

But google the Chicago Convention. Annex 1 I believe. I've never said that the Captain's authority "overrides" common law (or statutory for that matter). However, he is able to uphold it and is granted very wide discretion as to how to proceed.

Conversation over.