Parking fine at Mid-kent college

1984ReturnsForReal_2

pogofish wrote: »

Nope, you demonstrated yourself to be a flaming ignoramus the moment you blazed-in here talking about "fines" etc. :rolleyes:

All I have said is check with the college on their parking policy.

You have been the one blazing out sh*te.

LinasPilibaitisisbatman

pogofish wrote: »

Who would probably be horrified to read it.

Signed contract or not, that is quite unenforcable and if they tried to use it as a basis for witholding a degree, they would fall flat on their face at the first legal hurdle - namely that any charge imposed must be reasonable and proportional to the costs involved.

Which is always where these things fail.

Never mind that the mention of fines or offences are quite spurious - They simply don't have any legal meaning in the modern age.

Anyway, W.Kent College ain't Cambridge and you can't compare UKPC and their operation to a staff Proctor. :rolleyes:

http://www.kent.ac.uk/gettingstarted/assoc/finance.html

You are the one not getting it

Yes the fees for parking may be unenforceable in a court of law, however, it will be far more damaging to the OP's child if this was to hamper their education or they couldnt graduate or proceed whilst fighting this thus their is an argument life may be far easier paying up and not taking the risk.

OP whilst this may not be upheld in a court of law do you or your daughter really want to spend many weeks/months fighting this, creating disagreement with the instituation and generally risking her long term education for the sake of £40 quid.

You need to speak to the college and see if this "debt" would result in such action. If so take the easily (and unfortunate) option and pay up.

Its all great people like pogo etc spouting the legal points but its not their education or long term future that may be affected as a side effect.

pogofish

1984ReturnsForReal wrote: »

There you go again having an opinion with no facts.

Who issues the parking permit & what are the costs of a years parking in a pay & display half a mile away?

Without knowing whats in the policy document you know NOTHING.

The facts are quite clear - The OP's daughter has a ticket from a PPC.

Once the permit was sorted, there are no further issues with the college or its policy and she can go on treating UKPC like any other parking predator.

The OP also quantified the applicable costs to students beyond the permit - nothing. So your comparison with any nearby P&D is disingenuous.

She also raised another issue of negligence that may be very applicable to the college's parking policy but that is a whole other argument.

pogofish

1984ReturnsForReal wrote: »

Who said anything about the college enforcing 3rd party debt?

It certainly wasnt me.

Ahem:

1984ReturnsForReal wrote: »

Some in the past have refused to give out diplomas until fines have been paid.

1984ReturnsForReal wrote: »

" Consequently, it is a University offence for a junior member to keep, hire or drive a car in Cambridge during Term without permission. A fine of £175 can be imposed by the University Motor Proctor on any offender. "


From Cambridge University Student Policy Handbook

THE STUDENT HAS OBLIGATIONS TO THE COLLEGE AS A CONDITION OF THEIR EDUCATION!

You certainly seem to imply it. :rolleyes:

pogofish

LinasPilibaitisisbatman wrote: »

Yes the fees for parking may be unenforceable in a court of law, however, it will be far more damaging to the OP's child if this was to hamper their education or they couldnt graduate or proceed whilst fighting this thus their is an argument life may be far easier paying up and not taking the risk.

You need to speak to the college and see if this "debt" would result in such action. If so take the easily (and unfortunate) option and pay up.

Payments from a PPC to its clients are invariably ex-gratia. Which means that there is no question or recognition of liability, legal obligation or responsibility. This works both ways.

Therefore, there is absolutely no chance of this money being considered as "owed", nor the issue of non-payment following her back to the college. None at all!

Now please, stop trying to scare the OP into paying-up or further confirming her identity to the PPC - all that will do is prolong her harrassment by them.

LinasPilibaitisisbatman

pogofish wrote: »

Payments from a PPC to its clients are invariably ex-gratia. Which means that there is no question or recognition of liability, legal obligation or responsibility. This works both ways.

Therefore, there is absolutely no chance of this money being considered as "owed", nor the issue of non-payment following her back to the college. None at all!

Now please, stop trying to scare the OP into paying-up or further confirming her identity to the PPC - all that will do is prolong her harrassment by them.

If the college consider it owed and withold an award or progression I am sure the OP wont be bothered eh.

Especially at this time of year.

Say college withhold progression and its fought in court and runs into the new academic year. the OP's daughter would then need to put their education back a year.

OP give serious consideration to the actual outcome rather than the perfect outcome.

pogofish

LinasPilibaitisisbatman wrote: »

If the college consider it owed and withold an award or progression I am sure the OP wont be bothered eh.

That simply could not happen in these circumstances. :rolleyes:

1984ReturnsForReal_2

"What is the college policy on non payment of these parking invoices for students by the way?

Just a thought before you bin it........." <<<<<<<<<< MY GOOD ADVICE




"file it away in a drawer and ignore" "just ignore it" "There is no chance of it causing her problems." <<<<<<<<<< BAD ADVICE in this instance by others




& dont quote me out of context because it makes you look stupid to anyone who has bothered reading the post from the start.

LinasPilibaitisisbatman

pogofish wrote: »

That simply could not happen in these circumstances. :rolleyes:

How not?

The college get informed OP's daughter hasnt paid for parking permit/penalty notice.

College advise no progression til paid.

You really are not living in the real world of how colleges etc act.

1984ReturnsForReal_2

"Now please, stop trying to scare the OP into paying-up or further confirming her identity to the PPC - all that will do is prolong her harrassment by them."
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Thats verging on the quite rediculous.



No sorry. Correction. Its beyond rediculous.