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asininity

My point being people over here buy PCs more than they do Macs and its nothing to do with adverts. Unlike why people buy macs over here which has everything to do with adverts.

Marty_J

anewhope wrote: »

Or not willing to make a comprimise on form over function just to be a "cool" Mac person.

Regardless, if you're making an ad, don't tell people your competitor's products are cool, but if they can't afford them, they can settle for yours.

asininity wrote: »

My point being people over here buy PCs more than they do Macs and its nothing to do with adverts. Unlike why people buy macs over here which has everything to do with adverts.

Well, people buy more PCs because most computer manufacturers aren't Apple.

I can't remember the last time I saw an Apple ad advertising their computers. I see lots of iPod and iPhone ads, but not many Macs ones. I think the last Mac ads here were for the unibody MacBook when it was released last year.

So, I'm not too convinced of your argument. And then of course, there's the fact that whenever an Apple Store opens, local Mac ownership increases enormously. Actually being able to try Macs out has more of an effect than seeing them on TV. Most people don't come into contact with Macs all that often, and when they do, they are much more likely to buy one.

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Marty_J wrote: »

Regardless, if you're making an ad, don't tell people your competitor's products are cool, but if they can't afford them

If you were making an advert then maybe it'd be a better if the basis of it doesn't rely on exaggerations and misleading the target audience, and ending up with your knuckles wrapped by the ASA.

asininity

Marty_J wrote: »

Well, people buy more PCs because most computer manufacturers aren't Apple.

I can't remember the last time I saw an Apple ad advertising their computers. I see lots of iPod and iPhone ads, but not many Macs ones. I think the last Mac ads here were for the unibody MacBook when it was released last year.

So, I'm not too convinced of your argument. And then of course, there's the fact that whenever an Apple Store opens, local Mac ownership increases enormously. Actually being able to try Macs out has more of an effect than seeing them on TV. Most people don't come into contact with Macs all that often, and when they do, they are much more likely to buy one.

I'm not convinced of your arguments either, when a tescos store opens locally local shoppers buy more tescos food. Same with asda, b&q, etc, etc, etc, etc. Whats your point???

The majority of people who buy macs do so because its a fashion statement. Most people buy PCs because the are more affordable and theres nothing that a £1500 mac can do that a £600 PC cant.

Marty_J

anewhope wrote: »

If you were making an advert then maybe it'd be a better if the basis of it doesn't rely on exaggerations and misleading the target audience, and ending up with your knuckles wrapped by the ASA.

Which is probably the reason Microsoft haven't tried any of their latest stunts here, such as claiming it costs $30,000 to own an iPod, or that Apple computers are thousands and thousands of dollars more expensive than Windows PCs:

http://windowsteamblog.com/blogs/windowsexperience/archive/2009/04/09/avoid-the-apple-tax-cash-in-on-the-value-of-windows.aspx

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10216096-56.html?part=rss&subj=news&!!!!!2547-1_3-0-20

They probably learned their lesson when they claimed Linux was more ten times more expensive than Windows.

Marty_J

asininity wrote: »

I'm not convinced of your arguments either, when a tescos store opens locally local shoppers buy more tescos food. Same with asda, b&q, etc, etc, etc, etc. Whats your point???

That's a pretty silly argument. People tend to buy everyday items from a store nearby. Not necessarily true of luxury items such as computers, TVs, cars, etc.

No one just buys Fords because there's a Ford dealership at the end of their road.

The majority of people who buy macs do so because its a fashion statement.

That's your opinion, and it has exactly the same validity as if I said "the majority of people who use Linux do so because they're poor".

Are your opinions based upon anything outside your own thoughts? Do you have a tangible reason for believing that most people buy Macs as a fashion statement?

Or is it entirely unfounded?

Yeah, I thought so.

Most people buy PCs because the are more affordable and theres nothing that a £1500 mac can do that a £600 PC cant.

Run Mac OS X?

asininity

Marty_J wrote: »

That's a pretty silly argument. People tend to buy everyday items from a store nearby. Not necessarily true of luxury items such as computers, TVs, cars, etc.

No one just buys Fords because there's a Ford dealership at the end of their road.

No more silly than your arguement, and was posted to point that out.

Are your opinions based upon anything outside your own thoughts? Do you have a tangible reason for believing that most people buy Macs as a fashion statement?

Or is it entirely unfounded?

Are yours? you always seem to argue using only things that back up what you are saying why cant I do the same. Caught you doing that very thing last night. Opinions by their very nature are based on your thoughts, what is your point???

They are a fashion item theres nothing to be ashamed of in that, why are you ashamed of it?

Run Mac OS X?

PCs can run OSX, the hardware is basically the same (intel anyway) but thats the thing aint it the one thing OSX cant do is run on a varied amount of hardware, thats the limitation that windows and linux dont have, and why sometimes you get compatibility issues.

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Marty_J wrote: »

Which is probably the reason Microsoft haven't tried any of their latest stunts here, such as claiming it costs $30,000 to own an iPod, or that Apple computers are thousands and thousands of dollars more expensive than Windows PCs:

It was never claimed than it costs $30,000 to own an iPod, but to fill one with legitimate music. I don't see what is misleading about that point.

http://windowsteamblog.com/blogs/windowsexperience/archive/2009/04/09/avoid-the-apple-tax-cash-in-on-the-value-of-windows.aspx

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10216096-56.html?part=rss&subj=news&!!!!!2547-1_3-0-20

Apple products are more expensive. It's hardly news. Whether the premium you pay for Apple gets you the standard of product you need or want is a personal choice that you have to make. They are lifestyle products, which is not necessarily a bad thing, but they do command a pricetag to boot.

They probably learned their lesson when they claimed Linux was more ten times more expensive than Windows.

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Not like Apple Computers to fall foul of the regulators though is it?

Marty_J wrote: »

No one just buys Fords because there's a Ford dealership at the end of their road.

But very few people would be willing to part with a large amount of money on a product without having the ability to try it out, more so if it is something they are unfamiliar with. Is it that much of a surprise that if something is more accessible then it has a higher probability of being purchased?

Run Mac OS X?

PC's can run OS-X though.

asininity

anewhope wrote: »

At the end of time, a moment will come when just one man remains. Then the moment will pass. Man will be gone. There will be nothing to show that we were ever here..

I believe macs last a long time. Some alien historian might want to make a life style choice.

Marty_J

asininity wrote: »

No more silly than your arguement, and was posted to point that out.

What argument?

When Apple Stores open, Apple sales go up. There's nothing to stop anyone in the UK from buying an Apple computer no matter where they live.

But, when they can actually try them out, Apple sell more.

Are yours? you always seem to argue using only things that back up what you are saying why cant I do the same.

Right, so people who buy Macs are posers who supposedly do it to look good. Yet, you also decry the fact that "Macheads" as you so eloquently put it, are forever trying to get people to buy Apple computers.

These don't seem to be two entirely contrary notions?

I guess a poser who bought a flashy sports car would be absolutely delighted if everyone in the same street bought one would he?

No, of course he wouldn't. Yet Macs owners are forever harping on about Macs until people want to beat their heads in with their Microsoft ergonomic keyboards.

Caught you doing that very thing last night. Opinions by their very nature are based on your thoughts, what is your point???

You caught me doing what?

They are a fashion item theres nothing to be ashamed of in that, why are you ashamed of it?

Is it so entirely unbelievable to you that they are actually very good computers?

PCs can run OSX, the hardware is basically the same (intel anyway) but thats the thing aint it the one thing OSX cant do is run on a varied amount of hardware, thats the limitation that windows and linux dont have, and why sometimes you get compatibility issues.

That "limitation" is a design choice.

anewhope wrote: »

It was never claimed than it costs $30,000 to own an iPod, but to fill one with legitimate music. I don't see what is misleading about that point.

And it would cost exactly the same amount to fill a Zune with that amount of music. Or, if you bought a Zunepass, it would cost you $45,000 and take you some 200 odd years to fill it with music you actually owned. It's asinine.

Apple products are more expensive. It's hardly news. Whether the premium you pay for Apple gets you the standard of product you need or want is a personal choice that you have to make. They are lifestyle products, which is not necessarily a bad thing, but they do command a pricetag to boot.

Of course they are more expensive that the "average" PC, but that's because the average PC is dirt cheap. You can buy more expensive computers than Apple's from just about every major computer manufacturer.

Not like Apple Computers to fall foul of the regulators though is it?

Two out of three isn't bad.

But very few people would be willing to part with a large amount of money on a product without having the ability to try it out, more so if it is something they are unfamiliar with. Is it that much of a surprise that if something is more accessible then it has a higher probability of being purchased?

No, not at all.

But I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that there are millions of PC users in this country who would be happier using Mac OS X, or Linux, than they are using Windows. That's why I always recommend people check out the alternatives. It's not as though Windows is so absolutely wonderful that there's no reason anyone would ever want to use something else.

PC's can run OS-X though.

Well, kind of. They can run hacked version of it, or else you have to emulate EFI. I don't know for how much longer though; it's looking as though Psystar are going to lose their legal battle, and it won't be long until Apple work out a way to stop the Hackintosh community in its tracks. Ironically, they probably would have left them alone where it not for Psystar.