How can we persuade employers NOT to use imigrant workers?

Martinslovechild

There's absolutely nothing wrong with immigrant workers. Without them, our future pensions crisis would be far, far worse.

In the future, you'll see far more incentives for immigrants to work, settle & raise families here in the U.K. However, the British government knows that there's lots of competition for these same immigrants throughout other parts of Europe - not least from Germany with its own ageing population - Germany badly needs to attract younger people to live & work there just to support its own burgeoning pensions deficit. No wonder the UK government has been relatively relaxed about immigration in recent years.

When your grandfather retired, there was a ratio of 17 workers to 1 pensioner to pay for his pension. Presently, the figure is 3.5 : 1 and by 2050 it will be closer to 2.5 : 1. That's the scary truth.

America has a similarly acute problem, that's why they're making it easier for Mexicans to live (and importantly - work) there. Put another way - if America did nothing, then by 2050, Medicare & Medicare would swallow up the entire U.S. budget!! And that's before a dime is spent on pensions & Social Security.


EDIT:

In response to the original question 'How can we pursuade employers NOT to use imigrant [sic] workers?', I would offer the following answer:

'fine them'.

bluey890

tomterm8 wrote: »

Um, could it be because the subjects are notoriously hard to teach?

here's a question for you:

We know 2 + 2 = 4.

But why does it = 4, why not 3, or 5?

Because of the axioms of mathematics.

here's a question for you:

would 2 + 2 = 4 if the universe didn't exist?

misskool

dervish wrote: »

I am saddended that a board guide can show this prejudicial attitude to MSErs contributions.

Not prejudiced at all, there have been excellent points raised by lots of posters and you only choose to respond only to those who agree with your point of view and to heckle.

I do wish you would spell though, it's immigrant not imigrant by the way.

bluey890

Martinslovechild wrote: »

There's absolutely nothing wrong with immigrant workers. Without them, our future pensions crisis would be far, far worse.

The pensions crisis will be a drop in the ocean compared to if we run out of food.

With mass production and machines a ratio of 2.5:1 is sustainable if you were to get rid of the unproductive jobs in society.

tomterm8

bluey890 wrote: »

Because of the axioms of mathematics.

I admit, I cheated in the question, where I said "we KNOW that 2 + 2 = 4".

In fact, we don't know anything of the kind. We can derive a proof that 2 + 2 = 4 (for example there is one in Principia Mathematica, Volume I, page 360. ) Or we can do a more complex proof, involving a handful of axioms and Zermelo-Fraenkel set theory. However, Kurt Godel showed that any axiom system powerful enough to include the integers would have to be either inconsistent (yielding contradictions) or incomplete (too weak to decide the truth or falsehood of some assertions in the system). Further, at this point in time it is not possible in advance to determine whether any particular axiomatic system is inconsistent, which means that it is not possible to show that there is no proof that is inconsistant with our existing proof that 2 + 2 = 4.

bluey890 wrote: »

here's a question for you:

would 2 + 2 = 4 if the universe didn't exist?

i think we can assume that there are an transfinite set of possible mathematical representations, derivable from possible valid axioms and deductive methods. Human beings tend to chose from this set of possible mathematics the options that are most useful for describing the universe.

In other words, I believe in the weak anthromorphic principal. Of course, if the universe didn't exist, a form of mathematical reasoning where 2 + 2 = 4 would exist, but it may not be usefull to describe another universe. In which case, a different form may develop where 2 + 2 does not equal 4.

lostinrates

misskool wrote: »

Not prejudiced at all, there have been excellent points raised by lots of posters and you only choose to respond only to those who agree with your point of view and to heckle.

I do wish you would spell though, it's immigrant not imigrant by the way.

You are so becoming 'one of us'...........:rotfl:;)

fc123

Hey..... but Tomterm sounds like my dad here...I am totally lost.

All_about_me123

Trying something out here......thought I may as well try it on Dervishes Imigratin thread

All_about_me123

This sock puppet business is a bit tricky isn't it?......any chance of Miss Kool making it more straightforward for the techno-phobe sock puppets amongst us?

Jennifer_Jane

Welcome, welcome, welcome!!!

Very clever.

Jen
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