Sleep to Live Beds

Tim_Deegan

Jaxxon wrote: »

Thing is it's all relative, if you look in John Lewis it's not that high.

That's because John Lewis are also expensive.

Jaxxon wrote: »

Then again you can find expensive things every where and if you have no bench mark to guage it against how would you know any better. What is it they say, you spend a third of your life in bed...maybe a good investment. I mean, how are we the great unwashed supposed to know that no turn (more convenient) isn't an improvement/advanced more modern design?

Thats where marketing and gimmicks come in. Just as with most consumer products they are full of gimmicks that are designed to make us think we are buying a better product. A perfect example is actually dishwashers. You can buy a domestic dishwasher with numerous wash cycles, and loads of different features and settings, but a commercial one often has only 1 setting (wash), and reaches a higher temperature, and does the job to a commercial standard. So when a resteraunt does loads of washes a day to a standard that keeps enviromental health of their backs, without all the gimmcks, do we really need them?

So in the same way if a bed manufacturer wants to make a mattress cheaper to produce. They tell the consumer that the change is for their benefit. This way the consumer is happy, and so is the manufacturer because they have not only made production of the mattress cheaper, they have also made sure that consumers have to buy more mattresses in the future, and have convinced the consumer to buy their product because they thing they have a better design.

moneytree333

Hi my bed arrived today, it is at least 2 cms too narrow for my frame this means one of us will always be uncomfortable. I immediatley rang:mad::mad: Bensons who gave me customer services, who said that is within acceptable tolerance levels!
I have told them they are not my tolerance levels, and I want them to take it away and either give me my money back or I was thinking of asking them to try again. Having read the other posts here perhaps not! So BEWARE OF BENSONS SLEEP TO LIVE BEDS!!

Edelman

Tim_Deegan wrote: »

Trying a bed out in a shop only gives you a very rough idea. You need to sleep on a mattress for a few nights to know for sure.

Like I said you have completely missed the point. The salesman is trained to SELL and to make Bensons and himself money. They are not trained in the best interest of the customer. What you have more or less said is that you would keep going back to a company where their sles staff are the best trained in how to con people into paying way over the top for a product that is full of gimmicks.



And their 40 night sleep guarantee doesn't give you a refund if you decide you don't like sleep to live mattresses does it??????



If the mattress does feel softer then it will only get softer still as it wears in. Which would mean that you have a different firmnesss mattress to the one you tried out in the shop.



It is part of the way that the mattress is constructed that means that you will get a ridge in time. Try sleeping in the middle of the mattress and see how that feels.



And I was stating the correct facts.



The problem I have with them is that I HATE GIMMICKS that are designed to make people spend more. And I hate to see people conned by these gimmicks and sales hype. The Sleep to Live system is one of the worst gimmicks in the bed industry.

The fact is they produce a mattress with two sets of springs side by side. This is never going to work long term.

They produce a non turn mattress which massively reduces the life of a mattress.

As well as the terrible after slaes service that Bensons are famous for.........just read the other threads on Bensons if you don't believe me.



But it won't last as long unless you lay a sheet of pegboard or hardboard over the slats to spread the weight out.



Yes time will tell.



The first night should be fine, but if you read many other posts the problems occur over a period of time.



So you did actually buy something that you hadn't tried?




The big chain stores actually have the power of advertising as well as false price promises. So they are usually far more expensive for the equivalent models.



Most of the posts have been negative. So what was the point in asking for opinions?



There have been loads of posts from people who have had them for a long time, and most have been negative.

I have just registered here and am amazed at people's responses.

People are all too quick to state our rubbish service is, but when service is really good, and trained salesman do a good job - yes their job is to sell, but also to guide and advise - people here such as Tim the salesman, are so quick to say they are bad.

Bad is when the salesman gets the buyer to buy? I must look that one up.

I went to a Bensons store today. The chap was helpful. He did the gimmick thing, and to be honest, I did kind of fall for it. That said - afterwards when i tried the 900, and the other Series beds, the 900 that was recommended was the most comfortable for me. So there is something in that apparent Gimmick.

The chap did not once suggest we go "do the paperwork". He shows me other beds in the store that I had mentioned before (he had obviously listened to me), and I could so easily see the 900 was better.

He knew my back was supported softly, that my bottom was sinking into the bed nicely without 'falling', and my feet were raised, but supported softly.

The others were supportive but a touch firmer and less comfortable for my weight.

Now it may be that the 'gimmick' is quite simple a set of scales. Maybe scales at the foot, waist and shoulder end. But something in that works.

I even asked him to show me a 'soft' bed, and that was just too soft. The 900 Series was by far the most awesome bed I have ever laid on. Better than a Hypnos bed that was also about £1,500 in a different store altogether.

So please stop putting down salesmen that are good at their jobs. Either that, or Tim, tell me how YOU would sell a customer a bed? Ask them their weight, show them the types of spring, the toppings, ask if they feel the support on particular beds....?? All the things Bensons and other salemen do? Yes, I thought so.

I have to say that you are also putting down, and patronising the guy here who did buy one and bought it for his and his wife's own reasons. They weer probably convinced by it through the salesman's speech, but NO ONE in their right mind would spend £1,500+ unless there were 100% satisfied. I wouldn't. Hence, why I am on this forum now to see what others think of those beds.

Finally - as a saleman and someone who knows about beds - what you would say is the best bed?

Tim_Deegan

Edelman wrote: »

I have just registered here and am amazed at people's responses.

People are all too quick to state our rubbish service is, but when service is really good, and trained salesman do a good job - yes their job is to sell, but also to guide and advise - people here such as Tim the salesman, are so quick to say they are bad.

Bad is when the salesman gets the buyer to buy? I must look that one up.

I went to a Bensons store today. The chap was helpful. He did the gimmick thing, and to be honest, I did kind of fall for it. That said - afterwards when i tried the 900, and the other Series beds, the 900 that was recommended was the most comfortable for me. So there is something in that apparent Gimmick.

The chap did not once suggest we go "do the paperwork". He shows me other beds in the store that I had mentioned before (he had obviously listened to me), and I could so easily see the 900 was better.

He knew my back was supported softly, that my bottom was sinking into the bed nicely without 'falling', and my feet were raised, but supported softly.

The others were supportive but a touch firmer and less comfortable for my weight.

Now it may be that the 'gimmick' is quite simple a set of scales. Maybe scales at the foot, waist and shoulder end. But something in that works.

I even asked him to show me a 'soft' bed, and that was just too soft. The 900 Series was by far the most awesome bed I have ever laid on. Better than a Hypnos bed that was also about £1,500 in a different store altogether.

So please stop putting down salesmen that are good at their jobs. Either that, or Tim, tell me how YOU would sell a customer a bed? Ask them their weight, show them the types of spring, the toppings, ask if they feel the support on particular beds....?? All the things Bensons and other salemen do? Yes, I thought so.

I have to say that you are also putting down, and patronising the guy here who did buy one and bought it for his and his wife's own reasons. They weer probably convinced by it through the salesman's speech, but NO ONE in their right mind would spend £1,500+ unless there were 100% satisfied. I wouldn't. Hence, why I am on this forum now to see what others think of those beds.

Finally - as a saleman and someone who knows about beds - what you would say is the best bed?

I'm not getting into an argument with someone who has come onto the forum with the sole purpose of slating me and the honest advice that I give.

If you want any advice, then I would be happy to reply in an honest and impartial way. If you are just trying to start an argument, then I'm not interested.

Edelman

Tim_Deegan wrote: »

I'm not getting into an argument with someone who has come onto the forum with the sole purpose of slating me and the honest advice that I give.

If you want any advice, then I would be happy to reply in an honest and impartial way. If you are just trying to start an argument, then I'm not interested.

My, you really are spiky.
I did not come here to do that. As I have said, I am here to look at reviews on these beds. But then I found you slating salesman that....sell.

I am not here to make or cause an argument, but when I read something that is an argument and clearly just not taking no for answer, I get frustrated.

Would you be able to tell us what bed would you personally say is the best, and why it is the best? I know there are variants and each one is different. But when I tried the 900 series, I honestly found it an awesome bed to lay on. That said, I don't personally think you can EVER get a true feeling of if a bed will be right, from 15 minutes laying on it. Because 15 minutes in a jumper and jeans is not the length or time ones sleeps, nor what one sleeps in.

But you can get a pretty good idea. Out of all the highest (and some low-end) beds I laid on at Bensons, and at some others, this was the best.

I've no idea about the ridge, as I won't need that.

Gimmick - perhaps. But based on whatever it is that gizmo does, it found the right one for me of their beds, and tells me I want a soft-firm bed.

I'd be interested to hear here from anyone who has used one of these beds for a good few months. An actual "user" of these beds.

Tim_Deegan

If you want to buy one, then go and buy one, but I'm not giving any advice to someone who has come onto the thread just to abuse me.

Edelman

Tim_Deegan wrote: »

If you want to buy one, then go and buy one, but I'm not giving any advice to someone who has come onto the thread just to abuse me.

It's pointless talking with you Tim, as you only feel anyone here is abusing you - particularly when they disagree.

Bye Tim.

Tim_Deegan

Edelman wrote: »

It's pointless talking with you Tim, as you only feel anyone here is abusing you - particularly when they disagree.

Bye Tim.

In your very first post you started abusing me, and trying to start an argument.............that is what is known as a troll.

Most people come on here and just talk about their experiences, good or bad. Or they give advice. You came on here to put me down. If you read my posts, they are all actually the truth. You are entitled to your own opinion, and issues can be debated in an adult way, but not by just selecting little bits of what I have said, and trying to twist them around in the deliberate attempt to start an argument. This is exactly what a previous poster did, and I suspect that you may be the same person who has come back to cause trouble again.

Edelman

Bye Tim. Conversation is pointless now.

Tim_Deegan

It appears to be ok to continue the discussion again now without a trouble maker trying to ruin it. :j:j:j