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cittzd

How's the bed business Tim? As a consumer I always doubt the oppinion of a sales person who slags off other retailers. What are they hiding that they have to slag off others?

Tim_Deegan

cittzd wrote: »

How's the bed business Tim? As a consumer I always doubt the oppinion of a sales person who slags off other retailers. What are they hiding that they have to slag off others?

Here we go again........another new member (or probably an old one under another name) who has come on here to cause trouble.

The bed business is fine actually. I'm actually completely open about being in the trade. It's because I'm in the trade that I know about all the gimmick and hype used in the industry. And it's how I know the best way to get a good deal. This is how I have helped 100's of people and stopped them from making expensive mistakes.

If you do read all the threads that I post in, you will see that most of what I say is also backed up by others experiences.

If you are so paranoid that you can't believe that someone with inside knowledge of the industry could give honest and impartial advice, then please feel free to ignore me. The choice is yours.

davidmparkes

Myself and my wife are somewhat different in size, I am 17 1/2 stone and my wife arount 8 1/2 I am 5'10 large build whilst my wife is 5'2".

We have just ordered a SLEEP TO LIVE matress only, TAN (wife) and RED (me).

The salesman in the shop was very helpful (Bensons Beds) and no we don't fall for sales tricks easily as both my wife and I are professional sales people, I was more interested in the fact the guy was telling me the benefits of the bed rather than just its features. Were as all I got out of Dream's Beds, was this one has 3,500 pocket springs and this one has 2,500 with a foam topping. I don't really care what features the bed has, it has to be comfortable and suit our needs, which is where the Benson's salesman scored high.

We did the machine test, yes I know this is a gimmick and it generally weighs four parts of your body just to suggest a firmness of matress, but what was important, was the salesman's pitch about this test. He had explained that if we purchase a bed on their recommendations (in this case TAN for my wife and RED for me, colours being a reference to firmness) then if we find the matress unsuitable within 40 nights sleep we could exchange the matress, so where I have a good strong firm bed, if I cannot sleep and I prefer a softer bed then I can clain under teh satisfaction gaurantee and they will change it, and vise versa for my wife.

Now, I won't receive my bed until late February 2010, but will update on here, when it arrives and give you my verdict of what I think of the bed.

Our last matress was purcased over 10 years ago, an orthropedic matress which cost £250 and has served us well until the last twelve months as my side has collapsed, probably with my weight.

We looked at several other options in the showrooms and I am stunned at how expensive decent matresses has become, but at the same time, I am pleasantly surprised at how the technology has developed within bed industry.

Look out for my update.

Dave Parkes

Tim_Deegan

davidmparkes wrote: »

Myself and my wife are somewhat different in size, I am 17 1/2 stone and my wife arount 8 1/2 I am 5'10 large build whilst my wife is 5'2".

We have just ordered a SLEEP TO LIVE matress only, TAN (wife) and RED (me).

The salesman in the shop was very helpful (Bensons Beds) and no we don't fall for sales tricks easily as both my wife and I are professional sales people, I was more interested in the fact the guy was telling me the benefits of the bed rather than just its features. Were as all I got out of Dream's Beds, was this one has 3,500 pocket springs and this one has 2,500 with a foam topping. I don't really care what features the bed has, it has to be comfortable and suit our needs, which is where the Benson's salesman scored high.

This really isn't about sales tactics, and which try to impress you with which gimmicks, it's about who is honest. When you are paying the huge amount that you do for a Sleep to Live bed you really would want to know the truth, rather than being baffled with science.

davidmparkes wrote: »

We did the machine test, yes I know this is a gimmick and it generally weighs four parts of your body just to suggest a firmness of matress, but what was important, was the salesman's pitch about this test. He had explained that if we purchase a bed on their recommendations (in this case TAN for my wife and RED for me, colours being a reference to firmness) then if we find the matress unsuitable within 40 nights sleep we could exchange the matress, so where I have a good strong firm bed, if I cannot sleep and I prefer a softer bed then I can clain under teh satisfaction gaurantee and they will change it, and vise versa for my wife.

You accept that the machine test is a gimmick. The fact is that most of the time it suggests two different firmnesses, so that you buy a Sleep to Live bed that can come in two different firmnesses. So as soon as you get off the machine they have convinced you that you need to buy one of their very expensive beds.

I presume that their satisfaction guarantee only allows you to exchange for another sleep to live mattress? Well what if you aren't satisfied with the ridge that many people complain about in the middle of the bed. Would they then exchange it for a completely different make of mattress?

davidmparkes wrote: »

Our last matress was purcased over 10 years ago, an orthropedic matress which cost £250 and has served us well until the last twelve months as my side has collapsed, probably with my weight.

Did you both like the firmness of your last mattress? If so, then why suddenly change? Our bodies don't like big changes in support, and can often complain for weeks while they get used to the change.

davidmparkes wrote: »

We looked at several other options in the showrooms and I am stunned at how expensive decent matresses has become, but at the same time, I am pleasantly surprised at how the technology has developed within bed industry.

You have only mentioned visiting two stores, but both of these two stores are very very expensive.

As for technology, do you mean things like non turn technology, or number and shapes of springs, or types of quilting, or types of edge support? It looks like you were taken in hook line and sinker by sales hype and gimmicks I'm afraid.

davidmparkes

OK Folks,

The moment of truth, our matress arrived today from Benson's beds, first of all, the matress seems fine, has that new smell, and to be honest I cannot wait for that to disappear.

As I first said, the sales man was great, but here's the downer, the delivery guy, OH MY GOD, having a bad day or what, what was is his problem. He arrived with a helper, who was pleasant, the main guy (driver) took one look at our staircase which folds back on itself 180 degrees and said that the matress is never going upstairs. I told him we could easily lift the bottom and it will go over the bannister rail, his helper, said "sure we can give this a go", and it worked, but the driver was huffin and chuffin, a proper misery guts, uncooperative and I'm sure he just wanted to leave the matress on the stairs.

Anyway, that's out of the way, my wife has dressed the bed and tonight will be the telling, DO OR DIE, so to speak, lets find out if we sleep well.

As far as I can tell so far, there are no lumps and it seems great, I think a little softer than the demo bed in the shop, even though my side is coded RED the firmest and my wife has TAN, softest. I think I am happy with this at the moment, as I thought the one in the shop was quite hard, maybe a little too hard, ours seems better.

Incidentally we have placed the matress on a cast iron bed, no soft devan or sprung devan here, just a firm base.

So look out for my update tomorrow, to see if we sleep well or not!

David Parkes

davidmparkes wrote: »

Myself and my wife are somewhat different in size, I am 17 1/2 stone and my wife arount 8 1/2 I am 5'10 large build whilst my wife is 5'2".

We have just ordered a SLEEP TO LIVE matress only, TAN (wife) and RED (me).

The salesman in the shop was very helpful (Bensons Beds) and no we don't fall for sales tricks easily as both my wife and I are professional sales people, I was more interested in the fact the guy was telling me the benefits of the bed rather than just its features. Were as all I got out of Dream's Beds, was this one has 3,500 pocket springs and this one has 2,500 with a foam topping. I don't really care what features the bed has, it has to be comfortable and suit our needs, which is where the Benson's salesman scored high.

We did the machine test, yes I know this is a gimmick and it generally weighs four parts of your body just to suggest a firmness of matress, but what was important, was the salesman's pitch about this test. He had explained that if we purchase a bed on their recommendations (in this case TAN for my wife and RED for me, colours being a reference to firmness) then if we find the matress unsuitable within 40 nights sleep we could exchange the matress, so where I have a good strong firm bed, if I cannot sleep and I prefer a softer bed then I can clain under teh satisfaction gaurantee and they will change it, and vise versa for my wife.

Now, I won't receive my bed until late February 2010, but will update on here, when it arrives and give you my verdict of what I think of the bed.

Our last matress was purcased over 10 years ago, an orthropedic matress which cost £250 and has served us well until the last twelve months as my side has collapsed, probably with my weight.

We looked at several other options in the showrooms and I am stunned at how expensive decent matresses has become, but at the same time, I am pleasantly surprised at how the technology has developed within bed industry.

Look out for my update.

Dave Parkes

davidmparkes

Tim_Deegan wrote: »

This really isn't about sales tactics, and which try to impress you with which gimmicks, it's about who is honest. When you are paying the huge amount that you do for a Sleep to Live bed you really would want to know the truth, rather than being baffled with science.
You are probably quite right here, but the point being, the sales person who looked after us was pleasant and knowledgable.


You accept that the machine test is a gimmick. The fact is that most of the time it suggests two different firmnesses, so that you buy a Sleep to Live bed that can come in two different firmnesses. So as soon as you get off the machine they have convinced you that you need to buy one of their very expensive beds.
Yes, the machine is a bit of a gimmick, I think we both agree but I wasn't convinced I needed a Sleep to Live matress, as we have tried other beds that offer alternative sides just didn't find anything we liked or felt comfortable on!


I presume that their satisfaction guarantee only allows you to exchange for another sleep to live mattress? Well what if you aren't satisfied with the ridge that many people complain about in the middle of the bed. Would they then exchange it for a completely different make of mattress?
Yes again your right, they will exchange it for another Sleep to Live matress and this is only if your choose the firmness of the matress on the basis of their recommendations, which I have no issue with. As the matress arrived today, I would say what ridge, can't see or feel one in our matress, so I have no idea what your waffling on about. Yes, I have read the posts, I know some people have had issues (just being sarcastic), but ours seems great, however, if it develops any faults, I will be honest and declare them on here, after all, it was ruddy expensive.



Did you both like the firmness of your last mattress? If so, then why suddenly change? Our bodies don't like big changes in support, and can often complain for weeks while they get used to the change.
Both my wife and I, thought it was a little hard at first and it had taken a little time to get used too. Some people say you need a hard firm base to sleep on, but if that were true we would all be sleeping on a concrete floor, don't you think?



You have only mentioned visiting two stores, but both of these two stores are very very expensive.
Just because I had only mentioned two stores, does not mean we havn't looked at any independent stores. I like independent stores, you can often drive down a price offering cash, or buying multiple items. The truth is, we both have to find something we like before we buy it, and simply we hadn't.

As for technology, do you mean things like non turn technology, or number and shapes of springs, or types of quilting, or types of edge support? It looks like you were taken in hook line and sinker by sales hype and gimmicks I'm afraid.
Not really, I was simply unimpressed with other salesman, who simply kept quoting features, which simply don't impress me, expecially when they make you feel pressured and don't want you to leave with out buying. Salesman who are pushy and don't leave you alone until they have the sale or have driven you out the shop, drive me insane, I have no time for them, and seldom buy from companies who employ such people. I will look around, ask questions, take time to think over a product, maybe and often do research on the net and then having gathered my thoughts and opinions and some times opinions of others, will then make an informed decision as to whether I wish to purchase a product or not.

Tim_Deegan

davidmparkes wrote: »

Tim_Deegan wrote: »

This really isn't about sales tactics, and which try to impress you with which gimmicks, it's about who is honest. When you are paying the huge amount that you do for a Sleep to Live bed you really would want to know the truth, rather than being baffled with science.
You are probably quite right here, but the point being, the sales person who looked after us was pleasant and knowledgable.


You accept that the machine test is a gimmick. The fact is that most of the time it suggests two different firmnesses, so that you buy a Sleep to Live bed that can come in two different firmnesses. So as soon as you get off the machine they have convinced you that you need to buy one of their very expensive beds.
Yes, the machine is a bit of a gimmick, I think we both agree but I wasn't convinced I needed a Sleep to Live matress, as we have tried other beds that offer alternative sides just didn't find anything we liked or felt comfortable on!


I presume that their satisfaction guarantee only allows you to exchange for another sleep to live mattress? Well what if you aren't satisfied with the ridge that many people complain about in the middle of the bed. Would they then exchange it for a completely different make of mattress?
Yes again your right, they will exchange it for another Sleep to Live matress and this is only if your choose the firmness of the matress on the basis of their recommendations, which I have no issue with. As the matress arrived today, I would say what ridge, can't see or feel one in our matress, so I have no idea what your waffling on about. Yes, I have read the posts, I know some people have had issues (just being sarcastic), but ours seems great, however, if it develops any faults, I will be honest and declare them on here, after all, it was ruddy expensive.



Did you both like the firmness of your last mattress? If so, then why suddenly change? Our bodies don't like big changes in support, and can often complain for weeks while they get used to the change.
Both my wife and I, thought it was a little hard at first and it had taken a little time to get used too. Some people say you need a hard firm base to sleep on, but if that were true we would all be sleeping on a concrete floor, don't you think?



You have only mentioned visiting two stores, but both of these two stores are very very expensive.
Just because I had only mentioned two stores, does not mean we havn't looked at any independent stores. I like independent stores, you can often drive down a price offering cash, or buying multiple items. The truth is, we both have to find something we like before we buy it, and simply we hadn't.

As for technology, do you mean things like non turn technology, or number and shapes of springs, or types of quilting, or types of edge support? It looks like you were taken in hook line and sinker by sales hype and gimmicks I'm afraid.
Not really, I was simply unimpressed with other salesman, who simply kept quoting features, which simply don't impress me, expecially when they make you feel pressured and don't want you to leave with out buying. Salesman who are pushy and don't leave you alone until they have the sale or have driven you out the shop, drive me insane, I have no time for them, and seldom buy from companies who employ such people. I will look around, ask questions, take time to think over a product, maybe and often do research on the net and then having gathered my thoughts and opinions and some times opinions of others, will then make an informed decision as to whether I wish to purchase a product or not.

You really have completely missed the point:

1)The salesman was obviously better trained in how to chat up a customer than the others you mention. That doesn't mean he was being honest.

2) You obviously were convinced by the machine, because you followed it's recommendations.

3) You said yourself that the mattresses that were delivered felt softer than those in the shop. Well new mattresses would normally feel firmer until they soften up. A common complaint about Sleep to Live beds is that they are nothing like the ones they tried out in the shop.

4) You wouldn't feel a ridge when the mattress is brand new, but give it a year or so....

5) The recommendation for firm mattresses for back support applies to open coil sprung mattresses, and doesn't apply to the base.

6) You should never choose any product by how impressed you were with the salesman. After all that is all down to training.

7) You say the mattress is on a cast iron bed. How far apart are the slats, and how wide are they? Read the terms and conditions carefully, as you could invalidate your guarantee.

davidmparkes

1. I don't really think I have missed the point, I said we had tried other beds, and didn't find anything we liked or felt comfortable on, so I didn't just go off the salesman's pitch. Fine so he was better trained, that just tells me that I should always use Benson's for beds as they train their sales people well, unlike others. If he is honest or not, the bed still felt better, than others.

2. Choosing the recommendation of he machines, means that Benson's will honour their 40 night sleep gaurantee, if we had have chosen differently, then it would not have been off their recomendatio and therefore the 40 night sleep gaurantee would not apply.

3. I feel the matress is softer, since the Latex topper is very lush and feels great, to be perfectly honest, I would probably have to go back to the shop and try the one in the shop to see if there really is a difference, my comment was made as my opinion withoutn veryifying the fact.

4. As for the ridge, we'll see, if it appears then I'll post and update.

5. I never said it did, I was merely stating a fact.

6. refer to point 1, how many times must I say we tried other beds, what is your problem with Benson's and Sleep to Live Beds.

7. Thanks for the advice, the saleman had pointed this out to me in the store, not only does our frame have metal slats it also was a strong wired frame supporting the matress with 2" squares, so its fine.

I want you to be very clear on this, we had tried other beds, and did not find anything comparible, it was our preference and our preference alone that led us to choose this bed. I agree with all the posts on here its a very expensive bed/matress, more than I really wanted to pay, however, I felt it was better than other beds in many stores.

What more can I say, time will tell!

Just for the record, I had a great sleep last night and its the first time I have slept all night without waking during the night, could be coincidence but it happened. My wife is still unsure, she thinks it may take a little getting used too. One thing is certain, my wife does not regret spending that amount of money on a matress, and if she does not like something, believe me she tells me.

Whilst tpying this I have realised why the one in the shop may have seemed a little harder, and thats because it was a 900 series not a 700 series which we have purchased. The showroom has a 300, 500, 700 & 900 series in the store, each with different firmnesses, I think it was something like 300 with Tan/Green next to a 500 with Blue/Red, then 700 Tan/Green next to a 900 with Blue/Red. So I never really tried a 700 with a Red Firmness. The 900 series is a much bigger matress and even more money again, so we settles for a 700, which incidentally we are happy with.

I'll be sure to let you know if that changes.

A Note to anyone reading these posts:
Buying a bed is down to personal preference, if you try something and you feel happy with it, then it could be right for you, if you don't like it when you try in the shop, simply don't buy it and always make sure you shop around, use the big stores and the independent retailers. Big stores have a greater buying power, but also have greater overheads, so you may or may not get the best price, independents on the otherhand, tend to be family run businesses or private individuals making a living in their chosen industry and value their customers, perhaps a little more than bigger stores, so their delivery service maybe a little better.

The ultimate reason for posting on here is to ask or get peoples opinions on Sleep to Live beds, get recommendations or find out if the product has been slatered by everyone before you buy. So if you are reading this, both my wife and I are happy with our 700 series Sleep to Live matress. Yes we would recommend one if you asked us right now.........We would both tell you its bloody expensive, but would still recommend it.

It would be nice for someone to post on here who has had their bed/matress for sometime and also give an honest opinion.

David Parkes

Tim_Deegan wrote: »

davidmparkes wrote: »

You really have completely missed the point:

1)The salesman was obviously better trained in how to chat up a customer than the others you mention. That doesn't mean he was being honest.

2) You obviously were convinced by the machine, because you followed it's recommendations.

3) You said yourself that the mattresses that were delivered felt softer than those in the shop. Well new mattresses would normally feel firmer until they soften up. A common complaint about Sleep to Live beds is that they are nothing like the ones they tried out in the shop.

4) You wouldn't feel a ridge when the mattress is brand new, but give it a year or so....

5) The recommendation for firm mattresses for back support applies to open coil sprung mattresses, and doesn't apply to the base.

6) You should never choose any product by how impressed you were with the salesman. After all that is all down to training.

7) You say the mattress is on a cast iron bed. How far apart are the slats, and how wide are they? Read the terms and conditions carefully, as you could invalidate your guarantee.

Tim_Deegan

davidmparkes wrote: »

1. I don't really think I have missed the point, I said we had tried other beds, and didn't find anything we liked or felt comfortable on, so I didn't just go off the salesman's pitch. Fine so he was better trained, that just tells me that I should always use Benson's for beds as they train their sales people well, unlike others. If he is honest or not, the bed still felt better, than others.

Trying a bed out in a shop only gives you a very rough idea. You need to sleep on a mattress for a few nights to know for sure.

Like I said you have completely missed the point. The salesman is trained to SELL and to make Bensons and himself money. They are not trained in the best interest of the customer. What you have more or less said is that you would keep going back to a company where their sles staff are the best trained in how to con people into paying way over the top for a product that is full of gimmicks.

davidmparkes wrote: »

2. Choosing the recommendation of he machines, means that Benson's will honour their 40 night sleep gaurantee, if we had have chosen differently, then it would not have been off their recomendatio and therefore the 40 night sleep gaurantee would not apply.

And their 40 night sleep guarantee doesn't give you a refund if you decide you don't like sleep to live mattresses does it??????

davidmparkes wrote: »

3. I feel the matress is softer, since the Latex topper is very lush and feels great, to be perfectly honest, I would probably have to go back to the shop and try the one in the shop to see if there really is a difference, my comment was made as my opinion withoutn veryifying the fact.

If the mattress does feel softer then it will only get softer still as it wears in. Which would mean that you have a different firmnesss mattress to the one you tried out in the shop.

davidmparkes wrote: »

4. As for the ridge, we'll see, if it appears then I'll post and update.

It is part of the way that the mattress is constructed that means that you will get a ridge in time. Try sleeping in the middle of the mattress and see how that feels.

davidmparkes wrote: »

5. I never said it did, I was merely stating a fact.

And I was stating the correct facts.

davidmparkes wrote: »

6. refer to point 1, how many times must I say we tried other beds, what is your problem with Benson's and Sleep to Live Beds.

The problem I have with them is that I HATE GIMMICKS that are designed to make people spend more. And I hate to see people conned by these gimmicks and sales hype. The Sleep to Live system is one of the worst gimmicks in the bed industry.

The fact is they produce a mattress with two sets of springs side by side. This is never going to work long term.

They produce a non turn mattress which massively reduces the life of a mattress.

As well as the terrible after slaes service that Bensons are famous for.........just read the other threads on Bensons if you don't believe me.

davidmparkes wrote: »

7. Thanks for the advice, the saleman had pointed this out to me in the store, not only does our frame have metal slats it also was a strong wired frame supporting the matress with 2" squares, so its fine.

But it won't last as long unless you lay a sheet of pegboard or hardboard over the slats to spread the weight out.

davidmparkes wrote: »

I want you to be very clear on this, we had tried other beds, and did not find anything comparible, it was our preference and our preference alone that led us to choose this bed. I agree with all the posts on here its a very expensive bed/matress, more than I really wanted to pay, however, I felt it was better than other beds in many stores.

What more can I say, time will tell!

Yes time will tell.

davidmparkes wrote: »

Just for the record, I had a great sleep last night and its the first time I have slept all night without waking during the night, could be coincidence but it happened. My wife is still unsure, she thinks it may take a little getting used too. One thing is certain, my wife does not regret spending that amount of money on a matress, and if she does not like something, believe me she tells me.

The first night should be fine, but if you read many other posts the problems occur over a period of time.

davidmparkes wrote: »

Whilst tpying this I have realised why the one in the shop may have seemed a little harder, and thats because it was a 900 series not a 700 series which we have purchased. The showroom has a 300, 500, 700 & 900 series in the store, each with different firmnesses, I think it was something like 300 with Tan/Green next to a 500 with Blue/Red, then 700 Tan/Green next to a 900 with Blue/Red. So I never really tried a 700 with a Red Firmness. The 900 series is a much bigger matress and even more money again, so we settles for a 700, which incidentally we are happy with.

So you did actually buy something that you hadn't tried?

davidmparkes wrote: »

A Note to anyone reading these posts:
Buying a bed is down to personal preference, if you try something and you feel happy with it, then it could be right for you, if you don't like it when you try in the shop, simply don't buy it and always make sure you shop around, use the big stores and the independent retailers. Big stores have a greater buying power, but also have greater overheads, so you may or may not get the best price, independents on the otherhand, tend to be family run businesses or private individuals making a living in their chosen industry and value their customers, perhaps a little more than bigger stores, so their delivery service maybe a little better.

The big chain stores actually have the power of advertising as well as false price promises. So they are usually far more expensive for the equivalent models.

davidmparkes wrote: »

The ultimate reason for posting on here is to ask or get peoples opinions on Sleep to Live beds, get recommendations or find out if the product has been slatered by everyone before you buy. So if you are reading this, both my wife and I are happy with our 700 series Sleep to Live matress. Yes we would recommend one if you asked us right now.........We would both tell you its bloody expensive, but would still recommend it.

Most of the posts have been negative. So what was the point in asking for opinions?

davidmparkes wrote: »

It would be nice for someone to post on here who has had their bed/matress for sometime and also give an honest opinion.

There have been loads of posts from people who have had them for a long time, and most have been negative.

davidmparkes

This is like Ping Pong, and is now getting on my nerves.


Like I said you have completely missed the point. The salesman is trained to SELL and to make Bensons and himself money. They are not trained in the best interest of the customer. What you have more or less said is that you would keep going back to a company where their sles staff are the best trained in how to con people into paying way over the top for a product that is full of gimmicks.
Surely this is the point of any salesman and for that matter anyone in business, are'nt you in for the money. Oh no, don't tell me, your in it for the love of selling beds and the money doesn't count. I do get your point, you think they are expensive, I think I agreed with that. I also understand why you want to slag this brand of bed off, since they are exclusive to one of your competitors and you cannot get hold of them. They must be very profitiable and your not caching in on the action. Not one retailer or salesperson, could offer me an alternative product that I thought was as good as a Sleep to Live matress, maybe you can in your opinion, but I have seen your website and couldn't say I recognise any well known manufacturers within your range, at least well known to me.


And their 40 night sleep guarantee doesn't give you a refund if you decide you don't like sleep to live mattresses does it??????
No at first they will off you an alternative Sleep to Live, but read the earlier posts, it has already been pointed out that someone here has already had a refund after trying three matresses. Now a company that offers a consumer to try three matresses and then gives a refund after failing to offer a suitable product cannot be all bad, can it? I bet you wouldn't want a consumer trying three matresses and then you had to give them their money back, ouch that would have to hurt financially. Sounds to me, Benson's hae put their money where their sales people put their mouths.


If the mattress does feel softer then it will only get softer still as it wears in. Which would mean that you have a different firmnesss mattress to the one you tried out in the shop.
Yes, I already said that, I also said the one in the shop was a little harder than I wanted (900), so I am quite happy with what I have received. If I had tried a 700 series with the same firmness (Code: Red) it probably woud have been the same. Hardly scientific, is it?


It is part of the way that the mattress is constructed that means that you will get a ridge in time. Try sleeping in the middle of the mattress and see how that feels.
Why? Why on earth would I sleep in the middle of a bed for two, that would surely be a little selfish. If the ridge appears, I will post the details on here, then I can tell everyone to be very weary of this manufacturer, and of course you would be right, but as we have both agreed, time will tell.


And I was stating the correct facts.
I think you were stating what you have read on here by other posters and only picking out the negative ones. I am not saying this bed will be perfect, I am not saying I will not experience any problems. I am saying this is the matress we liked and it is only available through Benson's for Beds.


The problem I have with them is that I HATE GIMMICKS that are designed to make people spend more. And I hate to see people conned by these gimmicks and sales hype. The Sleep to Live system is one of the worst gimmicks in the bed industry.
In your opinion.

If I had imported the bed form the USA myself, as this is the matress I wanted, what would the additional import costs be? I suspect quite a bit of cash would have to be rolled out anyway, so what we spent it with Benson's anyway, we got what we wanted in the end........surely thats all that matters?


The fact is they produce a mattress with two sets of springs side by side. This is never going to work long term.
Says who?

They produce a non turn mattress which massively reduces the life of a mattress.
If this reduced the life of the matress as you say, why do they offer a 10year guarantee?

As well as the terrible after slaes service that Bensons are famous for.........just read the other threads on Bensons if you don't believe me.
Fair comment, but surely I should judge the company on how they treat me and not have they have treated others.


But it won't last as long unless you lay a sheet of pegboard or hardboard over the slats to spread the weight out.
It seemed fine for the last matress for quite some time.


Yes time will tell.
Thank god we do agree on something!


The first night should be fine, but if you read many other posts the problems occur over a period of time.
Here we go again, time will tell that one, if your right, I might just buy my next matress from you.



So you did actually buy something that you hadn't tried?
Yes, I had tried the same series bed, maybe not the correct firmness on that series but I had a rough guide trying both 700 & 900 Series beds, so what, I'm happy with my product.

The big chain stores actually have the power of advertising as well as false price promises. So they are usually far more expensive for the equivalent models.
Equivalant models? that's not the same as like for like, its a different brand and a differnet model of bed! You wouldn't compare a Skoda with a Bently, they may both have four wheels, 5 seats, a steering wheel, a stereo, windows all around and both have an engine, but hardly the same!


Most of the posts have been negative. So what was the point in asking for opinions?
It boils down to an old argument, people always complain more than they praise. If people are not happy, they scream and shout about it, but if somethings good, its good and they say nothing about it until asked.


There have been loads of posts from people who have had them for a long time, , and most have been negative.
I hardly think two pages of comments is loads of people.
I actually counted 4 against and 1 for sleep to live, and the 1 for was recommended by another user, making the score 4 against 2 for, now with me adding a positive comments thats 4 against and 3 for, wow hardly big numbers and hardly anything to worry about!


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