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Premier_2

dogder wrote: »

whilst we are on the subject of consuming power and electrical appliances...

Would I be consuming less wattage if I replaced my old 19" monitor with one 'o them fancy flat screen doodads? lcd or plasma?

...Plasma screens have been nicknamed the '4x4s' of the living room because they use up to four times as much electricity and are responsible for up to four times as much carbon dioxide as traditional cathode ray tube sets...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1112110/Energy-guzzling-plasma-TVs-banned-Brussels-eco-blitz.html

But bearing in mind the source, I'd take that with a huge mountain of salt.

As far as I understand, Plasma TV's use varying amounts of power depending on the brightness of the screen output (unlike LCDs or CRTs). They also tend to be a lot bigger than 19".

As others have said, you need to look at the energy consumption figures, but this will be the maximum consumption figure and that could be quite meaningless as far as Plasma TVs are concerned.

... and hence why the rants of the OP are equally meaningless.

Your only way to truly compare the actual consumption is to plug them both into an energy monitor and see if there is any difference over a period of time

ecoed

what has your point got to do with this subject........if you having nothing to say then why waste your energy......lol....
and your talking total rubbish. crazy fool!!! glib git....... seriously mate can you read what you've wrote about how to tell which appliance uses the most power.......you should maybe try a dis-information forum..... lol

Premier wrote: »

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1112110/Energy-guzzling-plasma-TVs-banned-Brussels-eco-blitz.html

But bearing in mind the source, I'd take that with a huge mountain of salt.

As far as I understand, Plasma TV's use varying amounts of power depending on the brightness of the screen output (unlike LCDs or CRTs). They also tend to be a lot bigger than 19".

As others have said, you need to look at the energy consumption figures, but this will be the maximum consumption figure and that could be quite meaningless as far as Plasma TVs are concerned.

... and hence why the rants of the OP are equally meaningless.

Your only way to truly compare the actual consumption is to plug them both into an energy monitor and see if there is any difference over a period of time

ecoed

and you know it.............. man this is invaluable information....... your now just a stastic of eco ignorance.............:T....
ever seen past your own personal gain????........... :):):)
Further more you'd be hard pushed to find a better example of total crap.... what this has to do with the petition subject.... is quite franky................ nothing at all!!!!!!!!

albyota wrote: »

In our own little ways..as we can afford it, when our appliance need replacing, we Moneysavingexperts will naturally be buying energy saving stuff, but at the end of the day it comes down to money...just because an item may save one tonne of Co2 emmissions per year but costs £300.... I would buy the...one and a quarter tonne equivalent at £250 if all else were equal....sorry but thats the way it is....yo Dude hahaha Lol....Man...peace & love.....now.... where did I put me joint?

cw18

I agree that the 'A'/'B' system of classification isn't really enough on it's own, but getting THIS right would be a start.......

Having recently (October 2008) purchased a new freezer, I can vouch for the fact it's not always easy to find ANY energy rating information while in store -- but by having the patience to dig through literature stuffed into the display appliances (or asking staff to get it from the office) I was able to get this information for most.

A lot of the appliances I looked at had the kWh figure on the rating sticker -- but some didn't, some didn't even have the energy rating sticker (and the staff didn't like me politely asking where it was), and some had the sticker for the WRONG appliance (which I spotted when reading them closely for more info as they all carry the model details, and the staff really weren't impressed at having these pointed out -- though I'm sure they could have got into trouble as some were showing the wrong rating).

Having looked in store to get an idea, I then came home and spent a few hours on-line doing more research/collecting the figures I wanted to see -- before ordering on-line as it was the cheapest way of getting the one I ended up going for.

IMO the first thing we need to tackle is correct labelling in shops -- not everyone has the time, patience or know-how to trawl the internet to be sure we're making a choice on valid information.

I was debating between a chest freezer and an upright freezer - but discovered there can be a BIG difference in usage between an 'A' rated appliance from each style. So, unless they start rating the two against each other, I do think that the kWh information should be more easily accessible. (And I'm sure there will be other appliances where they don't compare different 'versions' against each other).

Cardew

cw18 wrote: »

I agree that the 'A'/'B' system of classification isn't really enough on it's own, but getting THIS right would be a start.......

Having recently (October 2008) purchased a new freezer, I can vouch for the fact it's not always easy to find ANY energy rating information while in store -- but by having the patience to dig through literature stuffed into the display appliances (or asking staff to get it from the office) I was able to get this information for most.

A lot of the appliances I looked at had the kWh figure on the rating sticker -- but some didn't, some didn't even have the energy rating sticker (and the staff didn't like me politely asking where it was), and some had the sticker for the WRONG appliance (which I spotted when reading them closely for more info as they all carry the model details, and the staff really weren't impressed at having these pointed out -- though I'm sure they could have got into trouble as some were showing the wrong rating).

Having looked in store to get an idea, I then came home and spent a few hours on-line doing more research/collecting the figures I wanted to see -- before ordering on-line as it was the cheapest way of getting the one I ended up going for.

IMO the first thing we need to tackle is correct labelling in shops -- not everyone has the time, patience or know-how to trawl the internet to be sure we're making a choice on valid information.

I was debating between a chest freezer and an upright freezer - but discovered there can be a BIG difference in usage between an 'A' rated appliance from each style. So, unless they start rating the two against each other, I do think that the kWh information should be more easily accessible. (And I'm sure there will be other appliances where they don't compare different 'versions' against each other).

Your post illustrates exactly the difficulties there will be in ever getting an accurate standard for appliances that have variable power.

The consumption of a freezer can vary a great deal according to how it is used. e.g.
Say I have a freezer that I am stupid enough to situate next to a radiator and by a window that gets a lot of sun - I also am forever opening the door.

You have the same model, correctly sited and rarely open the door.

My consumption will be considerably higher than yours!

The rating system is simply to test their consumption under controlled conditions and at least gives an indication of their efficiency.

Fred_Bear_2

I agree with everything cw18 said. I bought a new freezer in 2008. While 'researching' this I learned that each rating spans quite a large range so there is a large difference between a freezer that 'just' qualifies for an A and one that just misses an A+. I ended up buying an A rated Electrolux which uses less electricity than an A+ rated Bosch because the Electrolux has a few litres less capacity. At least fridge/freezers, washers and dishwashers have the ABC ratings, but what about everything else? It can be difficult or even impossible to find out the energy consumption of other equipment even with a lot of effort. Most people are too busy or are not sufficiently interested to make the effort.

ecoed

At least read the original post thread before making a comment!!!!!!!
would be helpful......

Fred_Bear_2

ecoed wrote: »

At least read the original post thread before making a comment!!!!!!!
would be helpful......

Hi ecoed. Was that aimed at me?

ecoed

What planet are you on???? read the facts!!!!!
Are you not embarressed about your comments???
Do the maths,,, energy saving brown and white goods.... The legislation I'm trying to get passed is already in place in the USA. volts + amp = watts= £££'s.
der!!!!!
Is it possible to convert you???

ecoed

You could get a job with the office of dis-information. lol
such dedication can only mean one thing---- baa baa

Cardew wrote: »

Your post illustrates exactly the difficulties there will be in ever getting an accurate standard for appliances that have variable power.

The consumption of a freezer can vary a great deal according to how it is used. e.g.
Say I have a freezer that I am stupid enough to situate next to a radiator and by a window that gets a lot of sun - I also am forever opening the door.

You have the same model, correctly sited and rarely open the door.

My consumption will be considerably higher than yours!

The rating system is simply to test their consumption under controlled conditions and at least gives an indication of their efficiency.