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Plushchris

ecoed wrote: »

is that all you ever think about??? :T

I take it thats a no then


Is your petition and labels all you think about?

ceridwen

I do see ecoed's point - as I was recently out looking at fridge/freezers and had decided my main criteria in which one to choose would be that it used the lowest amount of power possible. It was very confusing to find - on looking into things further - that even different "A" rated models could use widely varying amounts of fuel. I had just assumed that all the ones that said they were in a certain "band" would use the same amount of fuel - but that was certainly not the case. Obviously these bands only give a very general idea and each "bandwidth" is set on a scale figure of "between x and y" - rather than being a fixed precise amount, as I had assumed.

Cardew

ceridwen wrote: »

I do see ecoed's point - as I was recently out looking at fridge/freezers and had decided my main criteria in which one to choose would be that it used the lowest amount of power possible. It was very confusing to find - on looking into things further - that even different "A" rated models could use widely varying amounts of fuel. I had just assumed that all the ones that said they were in a certain "band" would use the same amount of fuel - but that was certainly not the case. Obviously these bands only give a very general idea and each "bandwidth" is set on a scale figure of "between x and y" - rather than being a fixed precise amount, as I had assumed.

Your argument is, in effect, that instead of, say, 6 bands, we should have, say, 50 bands AAAAAA, AAAAA, AAAA, AAA, etc.

That is not the point that ecoed was making, in fact he was arguing against any form of banding.

What he wanted for all appliances was the volts and amps(i.e. Watts) displayed and that of course is meaningless.

A fridge/freezer using drawing 300 watts could be more economical than a similar size fridge using, say, 200 watts - as the larger compressor might only run for half the time.

1carminestocky

Maybe the electrical product manufacturers should adopt the method motor manufacturers are obligated to use - show consumption figures replicating certain usage patterns?

ecoed

Showing the power consumption on 'brown electrical goods' ( which makes up 35% of our electrical use) will give the consumer a choice to buy more energy efficient goods.... To every one who keeps going on about fridges and washing machines etc this is NOT my point..... volts x amps = watts = £££'s this is the correct equation with all electrical goods that perform a set function eg.. telephone, tv, hifi, battery chargers etc etc...
Come on, its a worthy cause and it will save money and energy-- in big amounts, read the links. thanks.

Cardew wrote: »

Your argument is, in effect, that instead of, say, 6 bands, we should have, say, 50 bands AAAAAA, AAAAA, AAAA, AAA, etc.

That is not the point that ecoed was making, in fact he was arguing against any form of banding.

What he wanted for all appliances was the volts and amps(i.e. Watts) displayed and that of course is meaningless.

A fridge/freezer using drawing 300 watts could be more economical than a similar size fridge using, say, 200 watts - as the larger compressor might only run for half the time.

Plushchris

ecoed wrote: »

Showing the power consumption on 'brown electrical goods' ( which makes up 35% of our electrical use) will give the consumer a choice to buy more energy efficient goods.... To every one who keeps going on about fridges and washing machines etc this is NOT my point..... volts x amps = watts = £££'s this is the correct equation with all electrical goods that perform a set function eg.. telephone, tv, hifi, battery chargers etc etc...
Come on, its a worthy cause and it will save money and energy-- in big amounts, read the links. thanks.

So does my Hi-Fi use exactly the same amount of electricity if I have it on low volume with the radio on as it would if I have it on loud enough to wake the dead with the CD player going?

My guess would be no, the amp would be working a lot harder and drawing more electric, the motor would also be spinning the CD.

Does my battery charger use the same amount of electric charging 2 AAA size batteries as it would charging 6 D size?

Again, my guess would be no.

Cardew

Plushchris wrote: »

So does my Hi-Fi use exactly the same amount of electricity if I have it on low volume with the radio on as it would if I have it on loud enough to wake the dead with the CD player going?

My guess would be no, the amp would be working a lot harder and drawing more electric, the motor would also be spinning the CD.

Does my battery charger use the same amount of electric charging 2 AAA size batteries as it would charging 6 D size?

Again, my guess would be no.

No 'guess' needed; you are correct.

ecoed's points are nonsensical as has been pointed out many times.

Just one more example and I will give up!

This PC might have a 400 watt power supply. All that means is it is capable of coping with a 400 watt load. The proposed label would say 240volts, 1.67 amps 400 watts. Most of the time it uses, say 150 watts.

I could fit a 800 watt power supply and the proposed label would say 240 volts, 3.34 amps, 800 watts.

Now it is perfectly possible that the new 800 watt power supply could make my PC marginally more efficient(improved fan design etc.) So for the same use it will use, say 145 watts.

However the label on the new 800 watt power supply will indicate that it 'uses' twice the power of my 400 watt power supply.

That principle applies to virtually every appliance we use in the home - the power rating label is absolutely no indication at all of the power it will consume.

ecoed

I cannot see your point.... I would like to, but I just can't get my head that far up my a*se...............
you are so wrong and misleading people.........
but fortunately for you your in the majority of like minded narrow minded individuals..
Blind greed!!!!!! oh and ignorance...:)

Cardew wrote: »

No 'guess' needed; you are correct.

ecoed's points are nonsensical as has been pointed out many times.

Just one more example and I will give up!

This PC might have a 400 watt power supply. All that means is it is capable of coping with a 400 watt load. The proposed label would say 240volts, 1.67 amps 400 watts. Most of the time it uses, say 150 watts.

I could fit a 800 watt power supply and the proposed label would say 240 volts, 3.34 amps, 800 watts.

Now it is perfectly possible that the new 800 watt power supply could make my PC marginally more efficient(improved fan design etc.) So for the same use it will use, say 145 watts.

However the label on the new 800 watt power supply will indicate that it 'uses' twice the power of my 400 watt power supply.

That principle applies to virtually every appliance we use in the home - the power rating label is absolutely no indication at all of the power it will consume.

ecoed

example: 2 tv's both on the same channel, both at the same volume, both the same size,,,, okay so far???
so
TV 1) uses 14 volts 2 amps
TV 2) uses 18 volts 3.9 amps....
which tv uses the least amount of power?
Got it??

Plushchris wrote: »

So does my Hi-Fi use exactly the same amount of electricity if I have it on low volume with the radio on as it would if I have it on loud enough to wake the dead with the CD player going?

My guess would be no, the amp would be working a lot harder and drawing more electric, the motor would also be spinning the CD.

Does my battery charger use the same amount of electric charging 2 AAA size batteries as it would charging 6 D size?

Again, my guess would be no.

Plushchris

ecoed wrote: »

example: 2 tv's both on the same channel, both at the same volume, both the same size,,,, okay so far???
so
TV 1) uses 14 volts 2 amps
TV 2) uses 18 volts 3.9 amps....
which tv uses the least amount of power?
Got it??

You say I'm wrong but dont say how, tell me the answer to my question instead of asking another.

Will a Hifi playing the radio at a low volume (or even through headphones) use the same electricity as THE SAME Hifi playing some hardcore house music on CD at full blast volume?