DWP employment waiting list

never-in-doubt

real1314 wrote: »

Wasn't it Shaw trust that was featured on the TV recently and was commented on by many as displaying a condescending attitude towards jobseekers? I'm not saying the commentators were right or wrong, but it just shows that what one person thinks of as good, another might not. You saw DWP as becoming target/result driven, which many taxpayers would approve of, yet others see Shaw trust as the same if not worse. Perhaps you shouldn't be so scathing in your comments on JCP/DWP?

I left Shaw Trust long before they started to see results as income. I helped develop business in the NE. I also don't slate the DWP - I simply confirmed they are results driven. Yea I agree with the taxpayer, but I also think the government has a large part to play. For instance, why does someone with a disability get more target points than a JSA claimant? It makes PA's go for the easier claimants (for want of a better word)..... put it this way, its easy to get someone off Incap and into work - but sustainable work? Well, that's a different proposition.

real1314 wrote: »

And don't Shaw trust earn contracts on results/outcomes too? They aren't some wishy-washy softly-softly company.

Oh yes! They get a lot of money for each training/job they get! I'm talking a lot as well (over £200!). So you can imagine their profits! It didn't take them long to get greedy, as you point out above. At first it was a different ballgame altogether.

real1314 wrote: »

As for the One project, it never really got a full integration with local authorities, it certainly got nowhere near helping with HB/CTB issues (of which I have a fair knowledge); it certainly was the "brains" behind JCP - I think you're overstating your own experience a little. The current system is a much better attempt at getting HB/CTB claims running alongside IS/JSA/ESA.

You're right, the ONE service was provisionally run by an outsourced company, a mass recruitment in 2001 took over their roles with full ES (new DWP) terms which was the forerunner for the future (i.e. JC+). The ONE service pilot, based at Great George Street (Leeds) was the trend-setter and did in fact set the tone for the new JC+, especially the integration within LA's. The name says it all 'ONE' (i.e. One stop shop, go there to claim any benefit including tax credits/csa/hb/ctb etc etc).....

The logic was that we would be able to see the hb/ctc claim on our systems and as you say, run in parallel alongside each other (and vice versa for the LA) but that part failed miserably and we simply had a couple of pages that advised there may be a hb/ctc claim. It isn't performing as originally anticipated.

edit:
can I just point out, my beliefs and my reasons for leaving JC+ really have no relevance to this thread. Lets keep on track, eh? You want help and insider info then great, ask away.

My opinion and/or reasons for leaving have no bearing on any advice given and trying to trick me up with silly point-scoring doesn't achieve anything.... Like it or lump it, the Jobcentre is target driven (as is Shaw Trust/A4E and all other service providers) and so long as there are targets staff will cut corners to meet them. Therefore, BTW interviews can and are abused and favoured to those that actually want a job coupled with those that are worth more points!

real1314

Where i said "it certainly was the brains" - I meant to say "wasn't". Bad typing.

Anyone with half a brain would have quickly realised that any given council could have any number of different HB computer systems, and therefore the idea that anyone in JCP/ES/DWP could deal with a claim and actually do anything with it was doomed from the start. Add to that the fact that there is no single layout for a HB claim form too, and it was a complete non-starter.

never-in-doubt

real1314 wrote: »

Where i said "it certainly was the brains" - I meant to say "wasn't". Bad typing.

Anyone with half a brain would have quickly realised that any given council could have any number of different HB computer systems, and therefore the idea that anyone in JCP/ES/DWP could deal with a claim and actually do anything with it was doomed from the start. Add to that the fact that there is no single layout for a HB claim form too, and it was a complete non-starter.

Oh yes, naturally agree with that sentiment but the idea was a nice novelty and I think when ONE originated you'll find that all the PA's done was check the HCTB1 and sign the back after checking the ID. Then they thought they'd get more from us, that's when things started to go wrong!

As for ONE being the brains behind JC+ - maybe look into that cos you'll find i'm spot-on! Pink/Purple tie anyone....?*

* The tie was the first thing (i.e. the colour scheme) that was carrying through to JC+ but the concept of a one stop shop was the notion for all JC+'s)...... Did you not hear, they wanted to (at one point) merge the council offices into the JC+'s to become ONE's!

real1314

Hmm, to be honest W-i-D, I'm not sure your "inside info" is very accurate, or helpful. You've left DWP, been in Shaw trust and then left them since. How long ago did you work in DWP/ES?
You've told people they can move/change jobs fairly easily, and can swap to part time from full time via the training team/staff - how up to date is that advice?
Also, telling people they can/you did; skive and leave offfices for another office without actually turning up anywhere else - is that valid advice?
Only if you want to end up back on the dole I'd suggest.

never-in-doubt

real1314 wrote: »

Hmm, to be honest W-i-D, I'm not sure your "inside info" is very accurate, or helpful. You've left DWP, been in Shaw trust and then left them since. How long ago did you work in DWP/ES?
You've told people they can move/change jobs fairly easily, and can swap to part time from full time via the training team/staff - how up to date is that advice?
Also, telling people they can/you did; skive and leave offfices for another office without actually turning up anywhere else - is that valid advice?
Only if you want to end up back on the dole I'd suggest.

I left DWP, yep. I left Shaw Trust, yep. within the last 2 years. They can if they ask (but bear in mind the person said they applied for PT not FT!). I never told anyone they can skive - I said I did! So what! lol. I don't see the point in any of these points at all....

Oh, I've never been on the dole!

real1314

never-in-doubt wrote: »

LOL, oh that horrid carpet - I can't believe its still there! So are you still there then? I am not sorry to see the back of it personally! And I never had the privilige of getting lost, after all I was 'supposed' to know the building inside out and risk assess it! Ermmm, although I was able to work from any site so in those instances i'd simply head to the JC near where I lived at like 11am, then leave there at 1pm and erm, call it a day!

Assuming I advocated such behaviour, of course

See, that sort of thing undermines your claim that when you'd got rid of the druggies in 3/7 mins, that then you put your full efforts into helping all the other people you humanly could, or that you want value for the taxpayer, or that you actually care about anybody else's job prospects.

All imho, others can judge for themsleves? People can take advice from anyone, but should always consider whether it's worth acting on.

never-in-doubt

real1314 wrote: »

See, that sort of thing undermines your claim that when you'd got rid of the druggies in 3/7 mins, that then you put your full efforts into helping all the other people you humanly could, or that you want value for the taxpayer, or that you actually care about anybody else's job prospects.

All imho, others can judge for themsleves? People can take advice from anyone, but should always consider whether it's worth acting on.

Pathetic....

real1314

never-in-doubt wrote: »

Pathetic....

If you like, but you've criticised DWP staff for not doing their jobs, and given endictment after endictment on some areas of DWP; don't you see the relevance? Something about a pot and a kettle?
I've seen you give lots of people advice that they wanted to hear, but that doesn't make it good advice. I think it's relevant to the thread if people want to be able to judge the quality of the advice they are being given. I think your opinions on DWP may be a good few years out of date now.

sweetikklemunchkin

tsimehC wrote: »

Thanks! I have to admit, I gave up a couple of weeks ago but I'm glad I got a decent job. How's your progress coming along?

slowly :rotfl::rotfl:, got quite a few leads for jobs but nothing solid, given up waiting for dwp, be old and grey b4 i get in there :rotfl::rotfl:

grey_eyes

tsimehC wrote: »

I got my call on Thursday and I start on the last week of October. Applied in May, had an interview on July and a long gap until I got my offer. Anyone else waiting on 60277? I'm guessing not. Good luck to others waiting for the good news.

Congratulations. I am still waiting for 60227--got my success letter dated 29/06/09. I am not jealouss at all!