Zavvi Gift Cards

Lemon_Tree

to be honest, i feel that if they won't honor the vouchers they are effectively defrauding all the people who have purchased them, and i'm one of those such mugs. They must have known when they sold them that they were in trouble therefore have traded fraudulently. I hope the company directors are sued for what they have done to the general public

djm1972

epz wrote: »

sure there is, as i said storm in, grab what you want, slap the voucher down and walk out.

seriously what are they going to do, say sorry we have robbed you but well are going to call security for paying with a gift voucher.

dont just sit back and get robbed

Totally agree with this.

Do not threaten or abuse staff, that's not appropriate at all - they didn't make the policy, but provided you have the receipt to show the value on the card; help yourself to goods to the value of; and then unceremoniously SLAP the gift card on the counter and walk out with the products. I would not think twice about doing this if I had a Zavvi gift voucher.

neverdespairgirl

scope wrote: »

Rob: If you send a letter to the administrators you would stand no chance getting any money back, lets be honest. Its not like Joe Public will get its money before the adminitrators take their cut, and the other companies dealing with Zavvi get paid what they are owned.

AIUI, the administrators have said they will refund those bought after X date, it's those which are older which are worthless.

neverdespairgirl

Kez100 wrote: »

If you stole something and passed in vouchers as you left would it really be stealing? If they are open for business surely they should be honoured. Would the police even be bothered?

I can understand a closed business but not an open one. That's disgusting.

It's not "disgusting", though. You have to bear in mind that the administrators have a duty to avoid preferring some creditors (old voucher holders) over other creditors (suppliers, etc)

neverdespairgirl

Joe_Bloggs wrote: »

My opinion.
By not accepting their own Vouchers in exchange for their own goods they are more than likely breaching the sale of goods act.
The vouchers no longer correspond to the description that they were sold under. They are worthless and hence are not of satisfactory quality.
They are not fit for purpose.
Contact trading standards.

I can't see that. They were sold as vouchers, and were fit for purpose when sold. The fact that the company is now bust doesn't come in to the Sale of Goods Act.

neverdespairgirl

jamie304 wrote: »

Do this. Shoplifting is defined as taking an item and then leaving the store making no attempt to pay. If you give vouchers you are clearly attempting to pay. In theory Zavvi could take civil action aginst you but this is not very likely.

There is no crime of "shoplifting". It is theft. And theft is not defined as taking an item without making an attempt to pay. The definition of theft is appropriating property belonging to another with a dishonest intention of depriving the other of it permanently.

neverdespairgirl

Paulgonnabedebtfree wrote: »

Even if you were caught, there is a legal defence that you honestly did not believe that you were stealing. It's a little known defgence.

It's an element of theft that the action involves "dishonesty". If you plead that the action you took wasn't dishonest, that is a defence. But you need to show not only that you didn't believe it was dishonest, you also thought that people in general didn't think the action was dishonest.

djm1972

disney_cjd wrote: »

Problem is with this is that you are going across the line I am sure you would not normally cross and secondly as you know the gift vouchers are valid even though you think they are - we wont go into the legalities on that one but as you know they wont take em then technically you are stealing or at least making off without payment.

Its liek going into a store and offering to pay with shirt buttons, you know they are not valid .

All this does not take away from teh fact that the administrators are being very harsh here. As I said they will get all of their fees paid in full so really they are just making sure there is enoght for them. Conyos.

In general I agree with your point - you're saying that you have been told that something is no longer acceptable as a form of payment, and therefore should be morally obliged, on the gounds that stealing is bad, to go along with it.

However, where I am fully with epz is on the fact that they have basically stolen from you in this situation; and ergo the "What are they going to do about?" argument. The police will do them for wasting police time if they try to prosecute you for paying for goods from Zavvi with a Zavvi gift voucher, which leaves the civil route which would almost certainly end up costing the administrators more than the value of the goods and voucher combined; and they won't want that coming out of their fee.

So just make sure you've got a route past security (for logistical, not moral reasons!) and then go for it!

disney_cjd

id love to know more about who someone who has exchanged cash for a token is an unsecured creditor. its not like we have supplied with electricity or anything.

What will be interesting to see is as they have gone into Administration the majority of their contracts will terminate immeadiatly so things like the tills, the overdraft, the air con maintenance, the computer repairers, the network etc etc may well get shut down and they wont be able to trade at all.

disney_cjd

djm1972 wrote: »

Totally agree with this.
I would not think twice about doing this if I had a Zavvi gift voucher.

I have £20 worth for sale if you want them