Parking Ticket Appeals article discussion

timgallon

Coblcris wrote: »

This was a PCN that was attached to car or given to driver as opposed to a postal one ?
If so then:-

Can the Council request this payment given the length of time (about 71 days I make it)

Yes

Secondly, given the content of their letter, does it hold any authority given it does not appear to be what should be included in a Notice to Owner response to an informal appeal
There is no such thing, they are two distinct things, they have up to six months to issue the NTO.


Did their rejection actually address your informal appeal points properly.

It would help if you posted up pictures of the documents.

Hi Coblcris

Yes the PCN was put on my car.

The notice was for parking outside of a marked parking bay and they say this is clearly stated on the notice boards - not of course you have time to read them. This happened somewhere quite away from where i live so not really worth going back to check this. I was parked next to a car in a bay but not blocking anyone in by doing this. There was not any markings on the ground to suggest i shouldnt park there. I told them the car park was full and the reason why i parked where i did.

Do you think it i worth making a formal appeal?

Cheers

Tim

Coblcris

As the majority of formal appeal succeed it is always worth doing a ful analysis of the PCN, the Traffic Order, the SIgnage and the NTO NoR etc.
Many councils have great difficulty doing this despite clear and copious guidance,

Coupon-mad

Coblcris wrote: »

As the majority of formal appeal succeed it is always worth doing a ful analysis of the PCN, the Traffic Order, the SIgnage and the NTO NoR etc.
Many councils have great difficulty doing this despite clear and copious guidance,

timgallon, there are posters here and lots more on pepipoo.com who can look at your PCN, the NTO and the Notice of Rejection and tell you if any of the Council's paperwork is fatally flawed (which would mean you can appeal and win).

They can also comment on the legality of the lines and signs (can you find it on Google Street View)? Name the car park on pepipoo.com, they may know it or have seen appeals based on similar cases before.

So scan or take mobile pics of the front AND back of every page of each document, and host them on tinypic. Post a thread on pepipoo.com here as well, with the pics:

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showforum=30

And although you're not local, 'any interested person' is allowed to look at a Traffic Order (or Parking Places Order) and you can simply email the Council to ask for this. Just state which car park you want to see the PPO for - don't state the PCN number or any of your details, you don't have to give your address or say why you want to see the Order. Keep following up if they delay a reply attaching it.

What you'd be looking for is to check if the Order actually does give provision for a fine for parking not wholly within a bay. If it doesn't then you can appeal on that basis and win (even if the signs refer to it, the Traffic Order takes precedence over signs).

Coblcris

I point out to readers that Google StreetView is a historical record and should not be relied upon. Contemporaneous pictures should be used. If the location is remote then there may be a poster in the locale who can provide the solution.

Which council is this ? A large number of TPT councils will have their Traffic Orders available on-line through the TPT website quite soon - June 1st.

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timgallon

Thanks to both of you. I'll look into what you have suggested over the next couple of days.

For info this was a car park at Rugby Town Hall some 35 miles away from where i live in Birmingham.

The annoying thing was i was actually there to meet some of their people and helping them out with a few things!

peter_the_piper

timgallon wrote: »

Thanks to both of you. I'll look into what you have suggested over the next couple of days.

For info this was a car park at Rugby Town Hall some 35 miles away from where i live in Birmingham.

The annoying thing was i was actually there to meet some of their people and helping them out with a few things!

Then find a way of adding something to the bill, it would serve them right.

philwil

After reading numouros articles/ posts on this and other sites I followed advise to ignore all letters and made several paper airoplanes to see where they landed!

Well not quite! I did e-mail the claimant that I had sort advice that the ticket was not enforcable. I also replied to there solisitors letter that any further contact would be deemed as harrassment!

I now have a County Court Claim.....

Here's my story......

I made an urgent evening visit to a local hospital, my daughter had been rushed into Wythenshawe Hospital, Manchester. I couldn't find a parking space so parked next to another vehicle outside a main entrance that turned out to be an ambulance bay (in the daytime).
I returned to find a Parkforce ticket on my windscreen.
As above, I ignored it.
Letter arrived from the Hospital requesting £85 against PCN No. 7275759.
I e-mailed back with the above advice notice.
A second letter arrived informing Debt Recovery Unit were to start legal proceedings.
A letter then arrived from the Hospitals solicitors requesting £145.
I replied to the Solicitors stating the advice recieved and any further action would be deemed as harrassment. Asked for evidence.

Received photographic evidence from Hospital. Also a copy of a Parkforce ticket with the PCN number but no further details.

Last contact was from the Hospital on 18th Feb. 2010 until yesterday when I received claim forms from Southampton County Court for "unpaid breach parking reg. notice" totaling £230.91

Parkforce issued the ticket but Hospital is taking court action!

Do I still ignore????

PvtPyle

Could you remove your personal details and upload scanned copies of the ticket and the correspondence you have received?

trisontana

That's very interesting. A Hospital Trust wasting money by taking somebody to court over an unenforceable invoice.

lucylucky

^^^ where is the spam button when you want it?

There is no need to waste your time and money on the site mentioned above follow advice on here re scanning etc or get over to pepipoo. Like here the advice is FREE