Re: Lodger...Wrong Choice? Help Please

ampersand

neas wrote: »

jglad i aint lodgered at your homes... my bags would be packed by you... in bin bags and left outide... locked out without a place to stay and had some idiot go through my personal things impersonally.

Great things humans .

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Whether or not that may be mutual, I'll leave to others.
But this is about Amy's here and now anxiety, neas, and she asked for help.
Martin has Rules about courtesy and kindness for posts on Threads which you may not have read....

neas

no im sorry i have to disagree what you suggest is actually immoral if not illegal. I dont care if someone elses possessions are in your house... he pays to lodge them I'm sure has some rights. You cant do stuff like empty all his possessions out. and just change the locks... what sort of human being does that?

And im being serious there..

How is it being courteous or kind... by throwing out someone with no notice... its extremely sneaky and evil. So please dont play that card with me. You showed your colours already.

If someone is a bad lodger, tenant... dont stoop to their levels... be professional, calm and reasonable but firm. Your sugestion is none of those traits.

silvercar

Originally Posted by silvercar
Has he ever trashed any room other than the tip that is his bedroom?
We can't know and I suspect Amy didn't take up references prior to Lodger arriving. I did mean has he trashed any of Amy's rooms. We obviously can't know what happened inhis past, just as he can't know how Amy has treated any previous lodgers.
Have you any reason to think he will trash the place in your absence?
Hindsight will be no help with insurers or Police(worst scenario).
Amy's confidence and trust have been, still are being, abused by a smooth operator. She will have his presence in her home and her absence on her mind during this time.Presumeably Amy informed insurers that she had a lodger.

If you tell him today to leave within the next 1-2 weeks, there is every chance he will be gone by the time you get back.
No guarantee.Either way.

The only mess will probably (my highlighting)be that his room needs a deep clean
Again, no guarantee.
Again, hindsight will be no help with insurers or Police(worst scenario).Why do you assume someone is a vandal just because (a) they have a low standard of cleanliness, (b) they arrive home late at night and (c) they sleep with their girlfriends
Chances are his room will never be cleaned to your standards
Amy's lodged and been a lodger. Can't accept you meant this to read as it does.I mean that I doubt Amy will be happy with the state of the room if this guy cleans it to his own standards rather than Amy's.

Sorry, silvercar - I think nearly all of us concur on the nature of Amy and Lodger's attitude to her.

All we have so far is that he arrives home late, he has girlfriends and his room smells, that doesn't make him a vandal or an axe murderer. When you choose to have a lodger you are inviting someone to share your home. Sometimes it doesn't work out. That doesn't give you a right to treat them like !!!!!!.

artha

stevetodd wrote: »

As shaven-monkey said above he is a lodger, i.e. not a tenant and does not enjoy the protection from the Housing Act that a tenant would. So it is very easy to get him out, just treat it as a learning experience before you get someone else and next time make sure you let them know what you expect from them. Or maybe you have learned that it is too much of a compromise to share your home.

What is the legal definition of a lodger vs a tenant and what rights do each have? From the lodger/tenant point of view how do you know whether you are a lodger or a tenant?

neas

And again its a cliche but no offence but this thread is full of unprofessionalism based on emotions , alot of the initial complaints are the usual problems you get when you share a house (lodger or not)... some lodgers/housemates arent that good... some have different standards to you.

If he brings his girlfriend around too much and wakes you up, then be honest, keep things calm/professional and finish things amicable...

Its simple, be sociable and fair. Dont be taken for a ride but dont let emotions drive your decisions otherwise you get into a big fight... and in the end he knows where you live... where your car is, etc etc... you wont know where he works.

Just a thought. Or am i only one to think past the 'legal' smegal...and self-orientated world? Sure you could change locks, sure you can kick him out, sure you could be an evil person.... but this doesnt mean he wont take offence and take revenge?

neas

artha wrote: »

What is the legal definition of a lodger vs a tenant and what rights do each have? From the lodger/tenant point of view how do you know whether you are a lodger or a tenant?

believe a tenant is in a houseshare or rents an entire house.

A lodger has no contract by definition and lives with the home owners primary address.

neas

silvercar wrote: »

That doesn't give you a right to treat them like !!!!!!.

Hit the nail on the head. Do unto others and all that.

cave_2

artha wrote: »

What is the legal definition of a lodger vs a tenant and what rights do each have? From the lodger/tenant point of view how do you know whether you are a lodger or a tenant?

A lodger lives with the landlord, under the landlord. A tenant rents the property, and treats it as if it were their own.

The landlord has more responsibility (house maintenance, bills) and the lodger less freedom (i.e. lives under the landlord's rules about times, has no say about who else in in the property) when it is in the landlord house. Lodging is almost like staying in a hostel.

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neas

reading this thread many believe lodging is like a slave camp

cave_2

neas wrote: »

no im sorry i have to disagree what you suggest is actually immoral if not illegal. I dont care if someone elses possessions are in your house... he pays to lodge them I'm sure has some rights. You cant do stuff like empty all his possessions out. and just change the locks... what sort of human being does that?

And im being serious there..

How is it being courteous or kind... by throwing out someone with no notice... its extremely sneaky and evil. So please dont play that card with me. You showed your colours already.

If someone is a bad lodger, tenant... dont stoop to their levels... be professional, calm and reasonable but firm. Your sugestion is none of those traits.

We're not suggesting that she be 'evil' or anything else so emotive. Nor are we advocating she gives him no notice.

What we are trying to do is give Amy the courage to stand up for her rights, as currently he is trampling them underfoot.


C