Parking ticket in Asda car park - Is this legal, can they take me to court?

oldone_2

Tim_Deegan wrote: »

It is totally immoral to use spaces that are designated for either disabled or parents and todlers. So stop complaining and don't park there, then there won't be a problem.

I made no mention of the immorality of parking in disabled spaces. I was talking of the immorality of PPC's who bend, break or make up the law.Surely it is immoral to pay companies that trade like this, in the same way as it would be immoral to give money to a drug pusher.

Incidentally the spaces for the disabled and parents painted on private car parks have absolutely no legal basis, and you cannot be 'fined' for parking in them.Do you not agree that it is better for parking attendants to advise and direct motorists rather than hide round a corner and then pounce with a £70 charge, for what may be a genuine mistake.I consider it is immoral for a PPC to act as judge jury and executioner before the accused even knows they have transgressed.

andyrules

Yes, it does seem like money is the key issue with this kind of penalty. If it could be achieved by say, having an extra 'trolley' person to patrol and advise/ask politely to move etc, then that would surely be better. However, in reality I suspect that the kind of person happy to park in a disabled bay would maybe not meekly trot off and move their car on request:rolleyes:

ben500

Tim_Deegan wrote: »

It is totally immoral to use spaces that are designated for either disabled or parents and todlers. So stop complaining and don't park there, then there won't be a problem.

It's also totally immoral to have a disabled badge your not entitled to in order to park where you like, that doesn't stop people abusing the system, in fact it is so rife with abuse it has lost all integrity whatsoever, that's where the problem lies, people have contempt for disabled spaces because the vast majority of them are used by able bodied people savvy enough to flout the system.

sarahg1969

ben500 wrote: »

It's also totally immoral to have a disabled badge your not entitled to in order to park where you like...

Or to use a disabled bay when you don't need to (even if you DO have a blue badge), just because it's your "right" to do so. I'm sure plenty of blue badge holders don't need them in supermarket car parks. And how many times do you see a driver sitting in the car, just waiting? That is just as inconsiderate as a non-badgeholder using a bay.

Tim_Deegan

ben500 wrote: »

It's also totally immoral to have a disabled badge your not entitled to in order to park where you like, that doesn't stop people abusing the system, in fact it is so rife with abuse it has lost all integrity whatsoever, that's where the problem lies, people have contempt for disabled spaces because the vast majority of them are used by able bodied people savvy enough to flout the system.

That's a pathetic excuse for being lazy, and not finding a space a bit further away from the entrance.

There may be some people who flout the system and have no morals, but that is a completely different issue. Anyone who parks in a disabled space when they don't require on has no morals.

andyrules

sarahg1969 wrote: »

Or to use a disabled bay when you don't need to (even if you DO have a blue badge), just because it's your "right" to do so. I'm sure plenty of blue badge holders don't need them in supermarket car parks. And how many times do you see a driver sitting in the car, just waiting? That is just as inconsiderate as a non-badgeholder using a bay.

That puzzles me - explain please. If you are a badge holder, is it not because you cannot walk far/need space to get self/equipment out?

Not talking about stolen/inherited/illicitly 'borrowed' badges or however else people abuse the system.

Ben - didn't bother with your irrelevant post as Tim did it best!

ben500

Tim_Deegan wrote: »

That's a pathetic excuse for being lazy, and not finding a space a bit further away from the entrance.

There may be some people who flout the system and have no morals, but that is a completely different issue. Anyone who parks in a disabled space when they don't require on has no morals.

Bit touchy aren't we Tim, I didn't say I use them I suggested it as a reason behind people's contempt for them. Disabled badges are available to just about anyone these days and there is no guarantee that the holder is disabled in any way shape or form, can you not see that this undermines the meaning of the whole system and gives many the excuse to park in disabled bays when they see fit?

ben500

andyrules wrote: »

That puzzles me - explain please. If you are a badge holder, is it not because you cannot walk far/need space to get self/equipment out?

Not talking about stolen/inherited/illicitly 'borrowed' badges or however else people abuse the system.

Ben - didn't bother with your irrelevant post as Tim did it best!

Why do you think my post irrelevant? Because it doesn't agree with your point of view perhaps?

ben500

andyrules wrote: »

Yes, it does seem like money is the key issue with this kind of penalty. If it could be achieved by say, having an extra 'trolley' person to patrol and advise/ask politely to move etc, then that would surely be better. However, in reality I suspect that the kind of person happy to park in a disabled bay would maybe not meekly trot off and move their car on request:rolleyes:

No money isn't the key issue the penalty itself is the key issue as it is unenforcable and touted as a fine which it is not.

Your also assuming that someone who parks within a disabled bay but not displaying a badge is able bodied and has no right to do so.

I witnessed an exchange in a local supermarket less than two weeks ago, a man pulled into a disabled bay (no badge) a young female alighted from the passenger door and ran into the supermarket, whereby a middle aged woman immediately approaced the man and started remonstrating with him, swiftly joined by another passing female who joined in with her, it got quite loud with both of them demanding he display his badge or move on, at that point the young female came back pushing a wheelchair and the man who incidentally had no lower limbs {something both the hags had overlooked in their zealousness} opened his door and was assisted into the chair, both of the females still remained indignant and even suggested that his passenger should move the vehicle to another bay, to which she replied and quite rightly so in my opinion, "Fvck off you nosy pair of old bags my father lost his legs fighting for his country he doesn't need a blue badge he's got medals instead"

anewman

I'm interested in the point people are making about people being able to get these badges willy nilly. The requirements on the website seem quite strict...

Who can have a Blue Badge

You are automatically eligible to apply for a badge if you are over two years old and either:

• receive the higher rate of the mobility component of Disability Living Allowance
• are registered blind
• receive a War Pensioner's Mobility Supplement

You may also be eligible for a badge if you are over two years old and either:

• have a permanent and substantial disability which means you cannot walk, or which makes walking very difficult
• drive a motor vehicle regularly, have a severe disability in both arms, and are unable to operate all or some types of parking meter (or would find it very difficult to operate them)

If you are a parent of a child who is less than two years old, you may apply for a badge for your child if they have a specific medical condition which means that they either:

• must always be accompanied by bulky medical equipment which cannot be carried around without great difficulty
• need to be kept near a vehicle at all times, so that they can, if necessary, be treated in the vehicle, or quickly driven to a place where they can be treated, such as a hospital

Saying that I know of some people who have blue badges who have no apparent disability and are very able to walk quite long distances. The only obvious thing is they are heavily obese. This isn't to say they don't have a disability of some kind, but it's too tempting to think "fat... lazy...." etc, even if that may be entirely untrue or over-judgemental.