To those selling in these difficult times

pawpurrs

Whats the choking about!

moneysavingfamilycomp

hi pawpurrs hope the viewings are good tomorrow. maybe i should visit a clairvoyant iv always been intrigued by that kind of stuff. mind you she'd probs say 'dont bother love your not going to sell' lol. on saying that how spooky is this iv just found out that the man who owns the firm that is doing our drive used to own the house that we were buying before the sale fell through. we are now halfway through getting drive in so hopefully by end of next week after iv cleaned everything up a bit and put plants back in etc we can get our new photos done. il be happier if OH gets offered one of the jobs he has interviews for next week then i might feel like giving it a bit more of a push and getting second EA etc at min we feel a bit like we in limbo.

Davesnave

pawpurrs wrote: »

Whats the choking about!

I think NDG does not rate clairvoyants, though in my experience a good one can be uncannily accurate. Unfortunately, although they can tell you all kinds of things, in amazing detail, when it comes to the really important stuff, like next Saturday's lottery numbers they just don't deliver.....well not for £5 anyway!

GDB2222

I saw a 'clairvoyant' performing on TV once, with a studio audience of 100. It went like this:

"I'm getting vibes that someone in this part of the audience has suffered an injury, a broken leg maybe." (Nobody answers) "Erm, the signals are all fuzzy, it's that part of the audience ........(long pause) ..........make that a broken arm?" (I'm wondering whether he is going to run out of body parts, but somebody owns up to a broken arm.)

There are two perfectly good explanations for clairvoyants:
a) they have supernatural powers, really clever stuff that nobody can understand, or
b) they are crooks

Davesnave

GDB2222 wrote: »

I saw a 'clairvoyant' performing on TV once, with a studio audience of 100. It went like this:

"I'm getting vibes that someone in this part of the audience has suffered an injury, a broken leg maybe." (Nobody answers) "Erm, the signals are all fuzzy, it's that part of the audience ........(long pause) ..........make that a broken arm?" (I'm wondering whether he is going to run out of body parts, but somebody owns up to a broken arm.)

There are two perfectly good explanations for clairvoyants:
a) they have supernatural powers, really clever stuff that nobody can understand, or
b) they are crooks

I think the one we know is pretty good, because she works only with individuals and comes out with very specific stuff, telling them, rather than asking questions. She always says that if she feels or sees anything really bad, she'll censor it. A lot of what she comes out with is accurate, and not stuff she could guess at random, but I think it is a 'gift' rather than something she's honed through study or whatever. Anyway, for £5 on an occasional basis she isn't making much from it and hasn't given up the day job.

I've heard of this 'gift' thing from my Mum who, as a child, knew a lady in her village who'd rest after lunch, go into a trance and draw the most fantastic oriental-styled pictures. At the end of a session she'd say 'Now what have I done today?' then put the drawing with all the others. She never sold them or benefited and always claimed she didn't know where they came from.

I agree there are a lot of charlatans about though, which is why I'd not go to the 'audience' sessions you describe. I don't think you can evaluate what a supposed clairvoyant says about someone else, especially if they have to 'fish' first!

neverdespairgirl

Davesnave wrote: »

I think NDG does not rate clairvoyants, though in my experience a good one can be uncannily accurate. Unfortunately, although they can tell you all kinds of things, in amazing detail, when it comes to the really important stuff, like next Saturday's lottery numbers they just don't deliver.....well not for £5 anyway!

I'd strongly recommend the book by Carl Segan, "This demon-haunted world"

Davesnave

neverdespairgirl wrote: »

I'd strongly recommend the book by Carl Segan, "This demon-haunted world"

Hmm..in that book (was it his last?) didn't Carl Sagan set out to debunk the paranormal, but also admit that there were scientific tests giving some support to concepts like thought transfer and also influencing electrical devices with the mind alone? (the name of that escapes me!)

I find books about the paranormal and also those which seek to debunk it equally frustrating. There is undoubtedly a lot of nonsense & pseudoscience, but there is also something very dull about wanting to restrict all knowledge about the world to testable hypotheses, though of course, when you get into the higher realms of physics the 'common sense' world we inhabit disappears!

We are way off-topic here, so I will just say that I have experienced a few things I can't explain and, rather than file them under, 'misinterpreted,' 'hallucination' or 'fake,' I put them in 'unexplained' and feel quite content that I shan't 'get to the bottom of it.' To try would be a waste of time. For example, I've seen a UFO at fairly close quarters and watched it do things that are physically 'impossible,' but no way does that mean that I saw a spacecraft from another world, or indeed that I was mistaken in my observation. It simply means I have no way of understanding whatever it was I saw, for which there might, or might not, be a scientific explanation.

Gosh, we do get on to some funny stuff on this forum!

dopester

Mysticism is a disease of the human consciousness.

Give me reality and reason and logic over irrationality and mysticism such as astrology, clairvoyants, tarot cards.. all of that stuff.

For example, believing like astrologers claim, that faint celestial forces from outer space have any impact on someone's mind, actions, behaviour or destiny... is pretty weak.

Even just a subconscious view of the mind being so feeble and weak and that it subject to exterior mystic forces - seriously undermines a person's own thought-processes and decision making ability.

The individual's own life choices almost fully determine their own destiny - subject to natural disasters, accidents, ect.

I think mysticism it is a throwback to the bicameral-brain with muddy thought processes and hearing voices, before we developed - or most of us developed - full-consciousness. And mysticism being a cop-out to not believing we have full responsibility and control for our own actions / life paths.

Also the mystic mind is more easily subject to manipulation and control from others - from some shark trying to sucker you in to a poor deal, to full conformity to government/authority without question.

pawpurrs

I actually went for fun.....
I didnt tell her anything about myself, she wasnt local to me and I didnt know her from adam.
The first thing she said was I was trying to sell my house, that it was the most important thing right now, to do that, the reason being something to do with a red car, that I must not reduce any more, (all above correct and I have just reduced the price, to the minimum I can accept, 35k under, any other similar properties)
She also went in to the fact that my stepdad is in hospital and would be transfered to London, why he was there etc, (found out yesterday he is being transfered to London) amongst other very accurate things.
Believe it or not, that is wierd.
I am sure there are a lot of crooks out there, but she was spot on, on everything! Lets hope shes right about the house!:eek:

Davesnave

dopester wrote: »

Mysticism is a disease of the human consciousness.

Give me reality and reason and logic over irrationality and mysticism such as astrology, clairvoyants, tarot cards.. all of that stuff.

OK I get what you are saying, but I'd just repeat that much of what we have found out about the world in, say, the last 150 years, would have been strange and, in a sense, 'unknowable' to those who came before. What science constructs for us at any given point in history is, at best, just our current understanding, or orthodoxy, which at some point in the future will be subject to change.

To think we know it all is dull. To think that we can understand it all is possibly optimistic. But I agree that to think we are just pawns in some cosmic chess game is a denial of free will, and too much reliance on the mystical can enslave rather than liberate.

But here we go into free will & determinism at 7 am.....and it's just too early in the morning. I'll just say I agree with you....... most of the time!