Rant about Apple - What to da about next computer

M4RKM

superscaper wrote: »

Sandbox being a sandbox I'd want it to be independant by definition. Besides since this is a hypothetical with a dependancy on being affluent there's not much point in trying to be "efficient". Do you drive economically in your dreams to save on dream petrol? :rotfl:

me, drive efficient? save fuel? why.. it is company money!

superscaper

markymoo wrote: »

but no support, which general joe bloggs wants....

Never once found any PC manufacturer's support helpful and almost always worse, slower and more expensive than getting it sorted yourself, even if that means hiring a pc repair person. Not talking just about my own pc I bought a decade ago but all my relatives' PCs for which I'm apparently the tech support for. :rolleyes: In my personal experience PC manufacturers' support is not worth the paper it's written on. Others' may have had better experience but for those that are capable of building/maintaining a PC at least would be no better off buying a PC outright.

Of course for many people they just want to buy the box and that's the end of it but my original dispute with a previous post is the claim that it's cheaper to do that.

Cat695

markymoo wrote: »

but no support, which general joe bloggs wants....

so where are you not supported??? buy the parts from a decent online store so thats covered with warranties

and buy the operating system which again has support

so i can't see where you don't have support if something goes wrong

oh and don't forget i can just google ANY problem for a pc and can 99% of the time get the answer

superscaper

Cat695 wrote: »

oh and don't forget i can just google ANY problem for a pc and can 99% of the time get the answer

Lost count the number of times people have come on here to get computer problems solved AFTER they'd already tried to get it resolved through their pc manufacturer's support.

Cat695

markymoo wrote: »

ok.. you go get the same components, price them up and do a comparison against what i'm comparing here, to clarify, it is a PC running vista, with an ALL IN ONE design, with an iMac, which is also an ALL IN ONE design... running OS X obviously, as it comes with that.

that is my argument, that the mac is REASONABLY priced, when it comes comparing spec for spec, design for design..

Processor: AMD® Athlon™ X2 5200+ 2.7GHz Dual Core 2 x 512KB L2 Cache
Alienware P2 Chassis: Alienware® P2 Chassis with AlienIce™ 3.0 Video Cooling - Saucer Silver
System Lighting: Alienware® Standard System Lighting - Astral Blue
System Cooling: Alienware® Standard System Cooling
Power Supply: Alienware® 750 Watt Multi-GPU Approved Power Supply
Graphics Processor: Single 512MB NVIDIA® GeForce® 9600 GT – Superclocked!
Memory: 2GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 800MHz - 2 x 1024MB
Motherboard: Alienware® Approved AMD® 790FX Motherboard
Includes PCI-Express 2.0, BIOS Overclocking Utility, and Support for AMD Phenom Quad-Core Processors
Operating System (Office software not included): Windows Vista® Home Premium with Service Pack 1 – DirectX 10 Ready!
System Drive: Single Drive Configuration - 500GB SATA 3Gb/s 7,200RPM 16MB Cache
Optical Drives : Single Drive Configuration - 20X Dual-Layer Burner (DVD±RW)
Enthusiast Essentials: Single High Performance Gigabit Ethernet Port
Sound Card: High-Definition 7.1 Performance Audio - Standard
Monitor: 20" Samsung 2053BW – 1680 x 1050 (2ms) Widescreen Flat Panel
Speakers: Logitech® Z-2300 2.1 200-Watt Speakers
Keyboard: Standard Keyboard - Standard Keyboard
Mouse: Standard Mouse - Standard Optical 3-Button Mouse with Scroll Wheel
Warranty: 1-Year AlienCare Toll-Free 24/7 Phone Support w/ Onsite Service
Alienware Extras: Alienware® Mesh Cap
Alienware Extras: Alienware® Mousepad
Alienware Extras: Alienware® Desktop Binder
Alienware Extras: Owner Identification Card
Alienware Extras: Internal Wire Management
Avatar: Alienhead 3D
Window Style: Default Window Style
Mouse Pointers: Standard Mouse Pointers
Power Plan: Standard Power Plan
Automatic Updates: Automatic Updates On


for the grand total of 865 pound.....and it out does a mac in specs (because they don't bother making a pc with such low specs)

the only thing i can't get is a wireless card (why would i as wireless slows your connection down)

and you can't call an alienware PC rubbish and their support is second to NONE

and you even get a free t shirt

Cat695

superscaper wrote: »

Lost count the number of times people have come on here to get computer problems solved AFTER they'd already tried to get it resolved through their pc manufacturer's support.

its called self help (and learning about what you have infront of you)

adouglasmhor

markymoo wrote: »

ok.. you go get the same components, price them up and do a comparison against what i'm comparing here, to clarify, it is a PC running vista, with an ALL IN ONE design, with an iMac, which is also an ALL IN ONE design... running OS X obviously, as it comes with that.

that is my argument, that the mac is REASONABLY priced, when it comes comparing spec for spec, design for design..

I could run OSX leopard on a home built PC if I wanted, there is a fudge to instal it then it's there. Don't see the point in doing something ilegal just to prove a point though.

lee634

superscaper wrote: »

Lost count the number of times people have come on here to get computer problems solved AFTER they'd already tried to get it resolved through their pc manufacturer's support.

That's because a majority of the time people are to lazy to find the answer themselves,

M4RKM

superscaper wrote: »

Never once found any PC manufacturer's support helpful and almost always worse, slower and more expensive than getting it sorted yourself, even if that means hiring a pc repair person. Not talking just about my own pc I bought a decade ago but all my relatives' PCs for which I'm apparently the tech support for. :rolleyes: In my personal experience PC manufacturers' support is not worth the paper it's written on. Others' may have had better experience but for those that are capable of building/maintaining a PC at least would be no better off buying a PC outright.

Of course for many people they just want to buy the box and that's the end of it but my original dispute with a previous post is the claim that it's cheaper to do that.

for point one, which i've made in bold, yeah.. i've been tech support in the past for my sister, my dad, my mum, my mate, and his dad... mainly because they all used PC's that I had built them...

now... all of them have converted to mac's and i do get no tech support calls at all.... weird huh!

as for the second point.. yeah exactly.. people want to buy something, turn it on, and start using it...


now, where is my comparison cat, on a pc all in one that you can build, against an apple mac.. i'm waiting... i am!

superscaper

lee634 wrote: »

That's because a majority of the time people are to lazy to find the answer themselves,

I think the point was missed. My point was that the PC manufacturer support is sometimes (most times in IME) useless because people still have to go and find support for their problem whether that's on this forum OR finding out themselves.