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Marty_J

aliEnRIK wrote: »

Because people can SEE clearly as opposed to the sound equation.

Not so. You can't calibrate a TV for instance just by looking at it. You need some sort of reference. Otherwise what you think looks right might actually be very wrong.

Also, human senses adapt very quickly to ignore things. They have to, otherwise we'd be driven insane by the feel of our clothing all day.

After living with a new TV or hifi, you very quickly get used to how it performs. So whereas at first the picture looked dull or the sound lacked warmth, your senses adjust so it eventually looks/sounds normal.

This I think, explains quite a lot about why people think things need burned-in. They get used to seeing/hearing something and assume that it is the TV/hifi that has changed as opposed to themselves.

Marty_J

aliEnRIK wrote: »

You obviously missed my MONEY SAVING point but I'll reiterate.
2 people buy a hdtv from the SAME manufacturer with the exact SAME specs. The only difference is the code (which means that the INTERNALS are different even though the specifications are the same (on paper))
One costs a 1200 the other costs 2500. The 2500 SHOULD look better but doesnt as the guy with the 1200 hdtv spent 80 quid on a decent mains conditioner and mains cable and it looks TWICE as good as the other. Therefore 'saving' a hell of a lot of money whilst having a much better product to view.

But how does it affect this change?

Saying "better electricity" tell us as much as saying "better mojo".

aliEnRIK

Marty_J wrote: »

Not so. You can't calibrate a TV for instance just by looking at it. You need some sort of reference. Otherwise what you think looks right might actually be very wrong.

Also, human senses adapt very quickly to ignore things. They have to, otherwise we'd be driven insane by the feel of our clothing all day.

After living with a new TV or hifi, you very quickly get used to how it performs. So whereas at first the picture looked dull or the sound lacked warmth, your senses adjust so it eventually looks/sounds normal.

This I think, explains quite a lot about why people think things need burned-in. They get used to seeing/hearing something and assume that it is the TV/hifi that has changed as opposed to themselves.

I have calibration discs

I recently set a friends up as when I went round for the first time his Samsung looked awful (which he agreed with)
I got him some new cables and left him to it. went round a month later I instantly saw a much better picture (so had nothing to do with ME getting used to it as there was a clear month inbetween visits)

aliEnRIK

Marty_J wrote: »

But how does it affect this change?

Saying "better electricity" tell us as much as saying "better mojo".

The electricity that comes into your house is extremely erratic. Most hifi equipment comes with a sort of error adjustment built in to try to compensate for this error. The cleaner (less erratic...smoother) supply means the equipment is working less hard to do its job. Its akin to changing the oil and air filters on a car. The cleaner they are the better the engine will run.

PROLIANT

The thing that makes me laugh about "people..." on this site is they all jump on the bandwagon calling people who they disagree with or don't fit in to their cosy little "I am ok...feeeew" comfort zone, troll's, a troll is a fictional character based on a fictional monster that looks and smell like $h|t, when somebody gives a bit of "straight talk" on here people start to get all upset and emotional, hide behind the "self righteous" admin/board guides like school children who run and tell the teacher only with the slightest bit confrontation, boo-hoo, grow up and stop crying about peoples views, this is a place of free speech and it is a free country, we will say what we want, as long as it is factual of course.

D.K.

I don't understand how you can do a blind test on anything visual?

PROLIANT

D.K. wrote: »

I don't understand how you can do a blind test on anything visual?

Close your eyes?

Marty_J

aliEnRIK wrote: »

I have calibration discs

Exactly. No one can remember what a picture is supposed to look like with any degree of accuracy.....

I recently set a friends up as when I went round for the first time his Samsung looked awful (which he agreed with)
I got him some new cables and left him to it. went round a month later I instantly saw a much better picture (so had nothing to do with ME getting used to it as there was a clear month inbetween visits)

....yet you claim to be able to remember what a picture looked like a month before.

If that were true, you wouldn't need calibration disks.

The electricity that comes into your house is extremely erratic. Most hifi equipment comes with a sort of error adjustment built in to try to compensate for this error. The cleaner (less erratic...smoother) supply means the equipment is working less hard to do its job. Its akin to changing the oil and air filters on a car. The cleaner they are the better the engine will run.

But the 1s and 0s passed to the DAC will be exactly the same, regardless of how "clean" the power supply is. The error rate of a CD is not affected by the power supply, and even if it were, error correction allows CDs to recover from such errors, so it would make no difference. There can be unrecoverable errors, but they will simply result in an interruption in the signal causing a gap or click. It doesn't diminish some ethereal subjective quality of the audio.

Marty_J

PROLIANT wrote: »

The thing that makes me laugh about "people..." on this site is they all jump on the bandwagon calling people who they disagree with or don't fit in to their cosy little "I am ok...feeeew" comfort zone, troll's, a troll is a fictional character based on a fictional monster that looks and smell like $h|t, when somebody gives a bit of "straight talk" on here people start to get all upset and emotional, hide behind the "self righteous" admin/board guides like school children who run and tell the teacher only with the slightest bit confrontation, boo-hoo, grow up and stop crying about peoples views, this is a place of free speech and it is a free country, we will say what we want, as long as it is factual of course.

Quite so. My beef is that what he is saying is not factual. He's free to say it as much as he likes of course, just as I'm free to disagree.

Marty_J

D.K. wrote: »

I don't understand how you can do a blind test on anything visual?

A blind test just means you aren't told which is which. It doesn't mean you can't see.

A double blind test is one in which the people doing the testing don't know either.