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  • thatgirlsam
    thatgirlsam Posts: 10,451 Forumite
    A heated debate has raged over the best advice to give new mothers with HIV. Guidelines from UNICEF, the World Health Organisation and the UN say the best option is to bottle-feed babies where this is safe and practical. In poor countries where water supplies may be tainted, a child can be exposed to potentially fatal diarrhoea by taking infant formula.

    taken from the who site.
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  • neverdespairgirl
    neverdespairgirl Posts: 16,501 Forumite
    thatgirlsam wrote: »
    also like to add neither have any allergies, never had ear infections and are both really bright.. my daughter in fact has reached level 4 for reading and she is in year 3.. its not nice to suggest that bottlefed babies will somehow turn out inferior to breast fed babies..

    On average, FF children spend more time in hospital, get ill more often, develop more allergies, are more likely to be overweight when older, and there may be a small impact on IQ. But those are statistics, and don't affect everyone. After all, my Grandad smoked 70 a day, and lived until his 80s. And (amazingly!) my mother and uncle didn't get asthma or whatever living with an incredibly heavy smoker. But that doesn't prove smoking is OK, does it?

    Sure, the evidence suggests smoking is a hell of a lot worse for you than FF is. But they are both statistics, not absolute rules that any BF baby will be healtheir than any FF baby.
    ...much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.
  • neverdespairgirl
    neverdespairgirl Posts: 16,501 Forumite
    thatgirlsam wrote: »
    there is plenty of support for mums who bf in hospital.. a lot more support than for those who don't wish to in fairness..
    they have a lactation consultant, midwives, mca's all there to support them..

    in fact when you have spent a whole nightshift hand expressing with a mum who's baby is in neonatal unit you can comment on how much support they get.

    Sounds like you work in a great hospital - when I had DS 3 years ago, I had trouble even getting someone to help me lift him out of the cot!
    ...much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.
  • neverdespairgirl
    neverdespairgirl Posts: 16,501 Forumite
    galvanizersbaby wrote: »
    I just don't see that gives you the right to sit in judgement of those women who choose not to breast feed and compare it to an activity which is actually harmful to a child :confused:

    But FF is inferior to the healthy norm - which is breastmilk. So it is potentially harmful to a child.
    ...much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.
  • neverdespairgirl
    neverdespairgirl Posts: 16,501 Forumite
    thatgirlsam wrote: »
    what a stupid comment.
    the risks of formula are greater than the risks of HIV???
    you are very foolish to beleive that

    Actually, you are being a bit thick here yourself.

    Formula in the UK? Great. It's not likely to be contaminated, you can clean bottles, boil water, all the rest of it.

    Formula in an area of the world with dirty water? A much more tricky idea. And it's expensive, if buying the FF means the mother can't eat herself or feed her other children, it may not be a good idea.

    Not everyone in the world lives in Acacia Avenue with clean water.
    ...much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.
  • neverdespairgirl
    neverdespairgirl Posts: 16,501 Forumite
    thatgirlsam wrote: »
    the babies do not belong to us, but to their mums..

    Babies sure as hell don't "belong" to anyone. They are their own people, given to parents to look after and love, not to own.
    ...much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.
  • thatgirlsam
    thatgirlsam Posts: 10,451 Forumite
    neverdespairgirl wrote: »
    Actually, you are being a bit thick here yourself.

    Formula in the UK? Great. It's not likely to be contaminated, you can clean bottles, boil water, all the rest of it.

    Formula in an area of the world with dirty water? A much more tricky idea. And it's expensive, if buying the FF means the mother can't eat herself or feed her other children, it may not be a good idea.

    Not everyone in the world lives in Acacia Avenue with clean water.

    well i was speaking a someone who lives and works in the uk.. i do apologise to the rest of the world but was stating facts used by the NHS in this country..

    i am well aware that other countries do not have access to clean water, but thanks for calling me thick
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  • thatgirlsam
    thatgirlsam Posts: 10,451 Forumite
    neverdespairgirl wrote: »
    Babies sure as hell don't "belong" to anyone. They are their own people, given to parents to look after and love, not to own.

    yes, thank you for that lesson neverdespairgirl - it was a turn of phrase, i am aware my kids don't belong to me!!
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  • thatgirlsam
    thatgirlsam Posts: 10,451 Forumite
    neverdespairgirl wrote: »
    On average, FF children spend more time in hospital, get ill more often, develop more allergies, are more likely to be overweight when older, and there may be a small impact on IQ. But those are statistics, and don't affect everyone. After all, my Grandad smoked 70 a day, and lived until his 80s. And (amazingly!) my mother and uncle didn't get asthma or whatever living with an incredibly heavy smoker. But that doesn't prove smoking is OK, does it?

    Sure, the evidence suggests smoking is a hell of a lot worse for you than FF is. But they are both statistics, not absolute rules that any BF baby will be healtheir than any FF baby.

    i understand the statistics !
    we provide the information for parents, and then THEY decide how to feed their baby -

    whats so hard for you to understand about this??

    we support choice at our hospital
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  • AnnieM_3
    AnnieM_3 Posts: 491 Forumite
    Right.... Gloves off... :mad: I realise I may get flamed for this, but I feel I have to say something.

    I am utterly appalled at some of the coments on here:

    1. My friend is sorry she didn't try to bf as her son now has allergies
    2. Formula feeding is akin to smoking in pregnancy/around the baby
    3. FF is inferior to the healthy norm

    How dare you try to make mothers who either choose not to bf, or CANNOT bf feel inferior, humiliated, stupid, cruel, neglectful etc etc etc.

    I have tried to keep an open mind reading through these posts, and my personal belief is that I would like to bf when the time comes. However, due to medical issues I am not willing to share here for identity reasons, I may not be able to. This won't mean I am a bad mother, whatever some of you here think.

    Does it give you a happy sense of self-righteousness knowing there may be (for example) a woman who has had her breasts removed due to cancer reading this thread, who now feels totally miserable because you have made her out to be a bad mother because she will have to FF?

    Why don't you think before you type?

    Maybe breastmilk is the best, but you should not try an denigrate those who disagree with your personal preference.
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