Breast feeding, pros and cons

thatgirlsam

JimmyTheWig wrote: »

Would you say that cigarettes are an acceptable choice for those who want to smoke in front of their babies?
If not, who are you to say what is acceptable or not?


Agreed. Glad you've responded to that. It follows on from the link you gave in post #123 (http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/8529/BF/language.html).

no, of course i would not say that its ok for mums to smoke near their babies.. smoking is much more harmful to health than formula milk..

but i do not go around telling other people how to raise their children..

plenty of stuff would be unnacceptable to ME .. personal choice

Hell_Dans_Un_Handcart

thatgirlsam wrote: »

formula is an acceptable choice for those who wish to bottle feed..
who are you to say what is acceptable or not

I am not saying whether it is acceptable or not. I'm saying that as long as it is seen as acceptable, there will never be the support required for all the mothers who wish to to breastfeed successfully.

daphne_descends

thatgirlsam wrote: »

that is ridiculous .
HIV is passed through bodily fluids, including breastmilk..
if you have HIV there is less than a 1% chance your baby will become infected if you have a section and do not bf..
what a stupid comment.
the risks of formula are greater than the risks of HIV???
you are very foolish to beleive that

It is not my belief, it is that of the World Health Organisation.

No need to get personal, I have not called anyone foolish or stupid.

FWIW I could not care one jot how anyone else feeds their baby. Give them sausage rolls and fruit shoots from 3 months if you really want to - not my business, and not my problem.

But a lot of people lurk on MSE and don't post - it does bother me to see misinformation posted and that's where I'll comment and post.

You might not like the fact that formula feeding poses risks, but it doesn't make it any less true. You, me, and everyone else deserve to know the truth and the full extent of those risks so that we can all make an informed decision.

It is all very well to say 'I formula fed my baby and s/he doesn't have any allergies' - I could tell you that I cross the road without looking and I'm okay but it doesn't mean it's the ideal way to cross a road. Allergies can become apparent at any stage in life. And yes, breastfed babies have allergies too! Just fewer of them. Like they have fewer tummy problems. And their mothers - we have less breast and cervical cancer. Less chance of osteoporosis.

It does not need to turn into an argument about whether you should formula or breastfeed. The only people I see who are turning it into an argument are those who do not want the facts.

I am certainly not any formula-milk - that would be absurd. It has saved the lives of hundreds of thousands of babies. I was fed formula milk, as my mother was told not to breastfeed (as was the fashion then). My baby has it occasionally (I choose to use cartons as they are sterile whereas powder is not - something else they don't like to tell you :rolleyes:). But I am against the undermining of breastfeeding, which is something formula companies do day in day out.

JimmyTheWig

thatgirlsam wrote: »

smoking is much more harmful to health than formula milk..

Glad that the point that formula milk being harmful to health has been acknowledged.

Now we just need to establish how much harm is done by each (smoking and artificial feeding) to determine whether one is more harmful than the other.

I don't have facts and figures for either, so I can't help on that one, I'm afraid.

Hell_Dans_Un_Handcart

daphne_descends wrote: »

It is not my belief, it is that of the World Health Organisation.

No need to get personal, I have not called anyone foolish or stupid.

FWIW I could not care one jot how anyone else feeds their baby. Give them sausage rolls and fruit shoots from 3 months if you really want to - not my business, and not my problem.

But a lot of people lurk on MSE and don't post - it does bother me to see misinformation posted and that's where I'll comment and post.

You might not like the fact that formula feeding poses risks, but it doesn't make it any less true. You, me, and everyone else deserve to know the truth and the full extent of those risks so that we can all make an informed decision.

It is all very well to say 'I formula fed my baby and s/he doesn't have any allergies' - I could tell you that I cross the road without looking and I'm okay but it doesn't mean it's the ideal way to cross a road. Allergies can become apparent at any stage in life. And yes, breastfed babies have allergies too! Just fewer of them. Like they have fewer tummy problems. And their mothers - we have less breast and cervical cancer. Less chance of osteoporosis.

It does not need to turn into an argument about whether you should formula or breastfeed. The only people I see who are turning it into an argument are those who do not want the facts.

I am certainly not any formula-milk - that would be absurd. It has saved the lives of hundreds of thousands of babies. I was fed formula milk, as my mother was told not to breastfeed (as was the fashion then). My baby has it occasionally (I choose to use cartons as they are sterile whereas powder is not - something else they don't like to tell you :rolleyes:). But I am against the undermining of breastfeeding, which is something formula companies do day in day out.

Far more eloquently put than I could have managed myself, daphne. Some very good points there.

PeskyPenguin

So, just let me get this straight - I'm to ignore all advice given by FSIDS but follow WHO to the letter?

pukkamum

PeskyPenguin wrote: »

So, just let me get this straight - I'm to ignore all advice given by FSIDS but follow WHO to the letter?

let your gf follow her heart she will know what she wants to do, just make sure it is an informed choice!!

galvanizersbaby

JimmyTheWig wrote: »

Now we just need to establish how much harm is done by each (smoking and artificial feeding) to determine whether one is more harmful than the other

I don't have facts and figures for either, so I can't help on that one, I'm afraid.

Err no, not sure exactly what we are trying to achieve here but I would have thought that any really interested parties would be able to find the info if it exists :rolleyes: or indeed conduct their own survey's and then use/act on the information as they see fit - to preach/sit in judgement of others on an emotive subject if that's what floats your boat

Yikes, what next. You'll be expecting us to believe you don't have breasts and your really a man!

surreysaver

onlyroz wrote: »

Formula companies are certainly allowed to advertise - I've seen plenty of adverts on the tv in the last few weeks - usually mid morning during the repeats of American sit-coms.

I suspect that milk is designed for older babies. But I cannot say for certain as I have to earn a living so cannot afford to sit at home watching telly all day!

But as the OP is a bloke, then surely the advertising company is being discriminatory, as it is showing adverts at a time when not many guys will be able to see them, therefore not enabling as informed a decision to be made by a couple as might otherwise be made. But then blokes are discriminated against by the NHS, so are less likely to be there to see all these posters stuck up everywhere about breastfeeding, or be brainwashed (for want of a better term and not meant to insult any health professionals here!) by health professionals (and I know you health pros. are practically forced to promote bf at the expense of ff).

thatgirlsam

daphne_descends wrote: »

It is not my belief, it is that of the World Health Organisation.

No need to get personal, I have not called anyone foolish or stupid.

FWIW I could not care one jot how anyone else feeds their baby. Give them sausage rolls and fruit shoots from 3 months if you really want to - not my business, and not my problem.

But a lot of people lurk on MSE and don't post - it does bother me to see misinformation posted and that's where I'll comment and post.

You might not like the fact that formula feeding poses risks, but it doesn't make it any less true. You, me, and everyone else deserve to know the truth and the full extent of those risks so that we can all make an informed decision.

It is all very well to say 'I formula fed my baby and s/he doesn't have any allergies' - I could tell you that I cross the road without looking and I'm okay but it doesn't mean it's the ideal way to cross a road. Allergies can become apparent at any stage in life. And yes, breastfed babies have allergies too! Just fewer of them. Like they have fewer tummy problems. And their mothers - we have less breast and cervical cancer. Less chance of osteoporosis.

It does not need to turn into an argument about whether you should formula or breastfeed. The only people I see who are turning it into an argument are those who do not want the facts.

I am certainly not any formula-milk - that would be absurd. It has saved the lives of hundreds of thousands of babies. I was fed formula milk, as my mother was told not to breastfeed (as was the fashion then). My baby has it occasionally (I choose to use cartons as they are sterile whereas powder is not - something else they don't like to tell you :rolleyes:). But I am against the undermining of breastfeeding, which is something formula companies do day in day out.

the NHS will advise HIV mother not to bf..
i am not posting mis-information..
a babies chances of being infected are significantly higher if she bf's
FACT.

unless you live in the developing world where water is not safe, and women may be unable to boil it (is that the info you are referring to?)

well unless you count a huge hospital just outside of london part of the developing world i beleive we have our advise and information correct.