Which mattress? (merged threads)

Tim_Deegan

annushka5 wrote: »

Hi all. Can anyone tell me what they think of this
Simmons Fusion Mattress on Mattressnextday website?
Can't find review for Simmons mattresses anywhere. Thanks:beer:

Simmons are part of the same group as Sleepeezee, Nestledown, and Cumfilux.

From what I understand they are only doing the low end mattresses under the Simmons brand now.

mollymo_2

Hi Tim,

I don't think you have understood my post, or actually really gave a compelling counter to the comments of the other salesman that we've spoken with.

Please could you also explain why Which? are going to contact YOU when they do their next mattress tests?

Now I've read it - You have previously said in this thread you are actually a fire man - meaning that your ebay bed store (bedlum beds) must be a sideline, or part time venture? Please correct me if I'm wrong - but these are you're own words?

I'm not looking to be argumentative, I'm looking for a deal, and, a good nights sleep - just like the rest of the readers - so that is that.

Most importantly, thank you to the other contributors - I thought the subscription to Which? was £20 a year or something, but I can live with it being £1. I also never considered the library - great tip! (That is surely £1 well spent!) And if nothing else I can be sure it's impartial !!!:T

It reads from the contributors on here that the full foam type mattresses such as the healthbeds are the type to go for - thankfully substantiated by the fully impartial Which? rating, that we can all be sure is impartial, and trust. This, added to the Quidco deal mentioned make it hard to pass over. (Do you have to pay to join Quidco?)

Prior to the 'plunge' though, I'd be most thankful if anyone can give me an opinion on these questions:

Has anybody here felt/used the healthbeds or memory-mattress . co . uk style mattresses found them to be firm, medium, or soft feeling? (Better still, are they in any shops near Dorset?) And, has anybody found them too hot?

Thanks & regards,
Mo

mollymo_2

Another (sorry, I know...)

If you go for a mem-foam type bed do we really need the pillows for 'the full effect'???

T&A in advance

annushka5

Please forgive me, I am an absolute newbie when it comes to matresses, but what "low end mattresses" means?

TomsMom

annushka5 wrote: »

Please forgive me, I am an absolute newbie when it comes to matresses, but what "low end mattresses" means?

Generally means the lower end of the quality/price scale.

mollymo_2

Frugaloodle wrote: »

Mo,

David at the Healthbeds website will point you towards the nearest stockest for you if you send him a message. There's a stockist in Bath, but there may well be a closer one for you. I really think the only way to know how the mattress feels is to sit and lie on one yourself, because soft/firm/medium are quite subjective terms, and what I think is firm you might not etc.

When you join Quidco, you provide your bank details (which is how they pay you your cashback) and they deduct an annual £5 fee. That's the only membership cost. It's well worth it - you get quite hefty amounts of money back for car insurance, house insurance, and there are hundreds of companies on there for just about anything you can think of, and some of the deals are brilliant - just like the KDBeds one.

Thank you so much! - you really are a 'Froogaloodle...doer' !:T

Tim_Deegan

mollymo wrote: »

Hi Tim,

I don't think you have understood my post, or actually really gave a compelling counter to the comments of the other salesman that we've spoken with.

Basically the salesmen you spoke to don't sell two sided pocket sprung/memory foam mattresses, so they are allways going to try and put you off them and steer you towards what they sell........I should point out that I also sell non turn mattresses, so I can get a sale either way.

I have also explained why two sided last far longer than non turn.

I have also explained how reflex foam can degrade, as someone else has experienced only a few posts ago.

mollymo wrote: »

Please could you also explain why Which? are going to contact YOU when they do their next mattress tests?

Which and I have had a lengthy chat, and as they recognise that they aren't experts in any field, and that they can only go on what they have been told, then they try to get advice from any source they can.

The information Which give out is only as reliable as the source they get it from. And some of the advice they were given was wrong.

They tested mainly reflex foam/memory foam mattresses, and only tested 5 that contained springs. From what I remember only 2 of those were pocket sprung, and non were two sided.

They also gave 10% of the marks for convenience. So those with a removeable cover scored high, as did those that come vacuum packed (even though these tend to be the lower quality ones. As pocket sprung mattresses with full size pocket springs use the fabric as part of the structure, then they would never have a removeable cover. Also those with full size steel pocket springs would never be vacuum packed as it would damage the springs. However if your mattress is delivered then this doesn't matter.

The reason pocket springs are better than reflex foam is simple: If you push down on one pocket spring then only that spring is compressed, because they all work independently. If you push down on reflex foam, then the area around will sloe in towards it. This meand that pocket springs contour to your body better.

Pocket sprung mattresses have allways been regarded at the top of the mattress range for support, but reflex foam are regarded as cheap and nasty sweaty mattresses. This doesn't change when you add a layer of memory foam.

The only reason why there are so many reflex foam/memory foam mattresses on the market is because any idiot can make one, and they can be transported cheaply. Which is why so many companies have jumped onto the band wagon. Sprung mattresses however need far more skill and experience to make a good quality one, so they are made by proper bed manufacturers.

Also there is the heat issue, with full size steel springs the air can circulate under the memory foam to dissipate the heat. With reflex foam it can't, and the heat will just build up.

mollymo wrote: »

Now I've read it - You have previously said in this thread you are actually a fire man - meaning that your ebay bed store (bedlum beds) must be a sideline, or part time venture? Please correct me if I'm wrong - but these are you're own words?

Yes I am a fireman, but like many firemen I also have my own businesses, and employ other people to work in them. They aren't sidelines, they are proper Limited companies. As for your remark about ebay, I find that insulting, as only about 3% of my trade is through ebay, and I would regard ebay sales as just a sideline to the main business.

mollymo wrote: »

I'm not looking to be argumentative, I'm looking for a deal, and, a good nights sleep - just like the rest of the readers - so that is that.

Most importantly, thank you to the other contributors - I thought the subscription to Which? was £20 a year or something, but I can live with it being £1. I also never considered the library - great tip! (That is surely £1 well spent!) And if nothing else I can be sure it's impartial !!!:T

It reads from the contributors on here that the full foam type mattresses such as the healthbeds are the type to go for - thankfully substantiated by the fully impartial Which? rating, that we can all be sure is impartial, and trust. This, added to the Quidco deal mentioned make it hard to pass over. (Do you have to pay to join Quidco?)

I'm on here to give impartial advice, and it's only people like yourself who keep mentioning my company name on here. In fact I keep being asked for my web site in PM's, but refuse.

Like I said, I sell all types of mattress and bed, but all I'm trying to do is give people advice on what is best, and best value.

If you don't like waht I say, then you don't have to listen.

As for Healthbeds, we are considering adding them to our range.

Now please stop mentioning my company name on here.

Tim_Deegan

Frugaloodle wrote: »

:rotfl:

Tim, you know as well as we do that you're only on here to sell mattresses! What businessman would waste half his day giving free advice to strangers otherwise? The trick is to tell us that a very unusual type of mattress (that only you and a couple of other companies sell) are the best - and hope that a proportion of the readers of this thread google that type of mattress and stumble across your company, Bedlum Beds, to make their purchase.

Now that makes good business sense to me, for which you should be commended!

I amy be a businessman, but that doesn't stop me being a humanbeing who cares. That's why I don't sell anything with useless gimmicks, and that's why I give out free advice both over the phone and via e-mail to people who aren't going to buy from me. It is also why I don't give out my company name. It's just people like you who insist on giving it out PLEASE STOP.

Do you never give free advice to anyone about a subject that you have an in depth knowledge???? because I do. Just the same as I give out free fire safety advice, and have given advice about electroplating, and have given out advice on couriers, as well as giving advice in the Northern Ireland mattress thread.

MAYBE YOU ALLWAYS HAVE TO GAIN FROMK ADVICE YOU GIVE, BUT DON'T JUDGE ME BY YOUR STANDARDS.

mollymo_2

Tim_Deegan wrote: »

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Basically the salesmen you spoke to don't sell two sided pocket sprung/memory foam mattresses, so they are allways going to try and put you off them and steer you towards what they sell........I should point out that I also sell non turn mattresses, so I can get a sale either way.

I have also explained why two sided last far longer than non turn.

I have also explained how reflex foam can degrade, as someone else has experienced only a few posts ago.


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Which and I have had a lengthy chat, and as they recognise that they aren't experts in any field, and that they can only go on what they have been told, then they try to get advice from any source they can.

The information Which give out is only as reliable as the source they get it from. And some of the advice they were given was wrong.

They tested mainly reflex foam/memory foam mattresses, and only tested 5 that contained springs. From what I remember only 2 of those were pocket sprung, and non were two sided.

They also gave 10% of the marks for convenience. So those with a removeable cover scored high, as did those that come vacuum packed (even though these tend to be the lower quality ones. As pocket sprung mattresses with full size pocket springs use the fabric as part of the structure, then they would never have a removeable cover. Also those with full size steel pocket springs would never be vacuum packed as it would damage the springs. However if your mattress is delivered then this doesn't matter.

The reason pocket springs are better than reflex foam is simple: If you push down on one pocket spring then only that spring is compressed, because they all work independently. If you push down on reflex foam, then the area around will sloe in towards it. This meand that pocket springs contour to your body better.

Pocket sprung mattresses have allways been regarded at the top of the mattress range for support, but reflex foam are regarded as cheap and nasty sweaty mattresses. This doesn't change when you add a layer of memory foam.

The only reason why there are so many reflex foam/memory foam mattresses on the market is because any idiot can make one, and they can be transported cheaply. Which is why so many companies have jumped onto the band wagon. Sprung mattresses however need far more skill and experience to make a good quality one, so they are made by proper bed manufacturers.

Also there is the heat issue, with full size steel springs the air can circulate under the memory foam to dissipate the heat. With reflex foam it can't, and the heat will just build up.



Yes I am a fireman, but like many firemen I also have my own businesses, and employ other people to work in them. They aren't sidelines, they are proper Limited companies. As for your remark about ebay, I find that insulting, as only about 3% of my trade is through ebay, and I would regard ebay sales as just a sideline to the main business.



I'm on here to give impartial advice, and it's only people like yourself who keep mentioning my company name on here. In fact I keep being asked for my web site in PM's, but refuse.

Like I said, I sell all types of mattress and bed, but all I'm trying to do is give people advice on what is best, and best value.

If you don't like waht I say, then you don't have to listen.

As for Healthbeds, we are considering adding them to our range.

Now please stop mentioning my company name on here.

Tim,

Personally, I'm appalled at your last post. Are you serious in saying most fire man have businesses on the side, and this should be expected?

You really must think we're all stupid - or too lazy to read the entire thread - which is evidently what you rely on!

Do other civil servants earning valuable tax payers money also have 'businesses on the side' ? I haven't seen any surgeons, doctors, nurses, policemen, military personnel, paramedics, etc... or other, claim this here, or anywhere else. I personally would like to think they were doing their jobs, which we as tax payers thankfully respect and thank them for. Your comments are both ignorant and arrogant.

Again, personally, I find it repulsive, as my son is only 19 and is soon to go on his first tour of Afghanistan - you're comments are an embossment to the good people who serve our country with pride and dignity - not using it as a meal ticket / safety net / pension certainty/ to do something else on the side.

To further claim you are an 'expert' with beds is down right misleading to us all. You are, after all, an 'expert fire man'. And no one would question that.

(Your response would also explain the middle of the night posts that you make - the taxpayer is essentially financing you to spend time serving yourself, and business, on this website. (I really wonder what your station commander and the Daily Mail would make of your comments, and how your time is spent?)

Furthermore, please answer me this, as the more I read from you, the more suspicious I am.

Did Which? contact you, or did you contact which?

(I assure you I'll be sending an email to Which? to substantiate the FACTS immediately after this, as you have been found on countless posts prior to this to pick and choose your questions / answers. The very notion that Which? rely on part time 'industry experts' would completely destroy their reputation!!!

I have never been so incensed!!!:eek:

Do you, or do you not, have any advice for me or anyone else? I

I have asked a few questions about certain mattresses and companies which you have chose to ignore - do you know healthbeds, or the memory mattress people - both evidently and impartially recommended by Which?

Spare me the time of saying that 'I'd be better off with a small British independent manufacturer' then telling me you 'can't recommend anyone' as this is useless to us all!!!

You don't have to recommend, just tell us who these people are!!! (If they exist, and don't sell the 'double sided mem-foam mattress your company sells when readers type it in to Google!!! In which you're company comes 'bedlum beds' comes up!!!)

I am so disappointed with you, this site, and very angry!:eek:

Mo

BraveNewWorld

Come on guys, give Tim a break, i like the rest of you are looking for a good night sleep at the best possible price.
I was about to part with my cash at Dreams until i read this thread and sure enough i found the same Dreams mattress under another model name at under half price!

He is not pushing sales to anyone but only offering advice, if we think he is full of sh*t then look else where and trust your OWN judgement.

As for ebay i personally think that is one of the best ways anyone can make a name for them self....1400 positive feedback...... who can argue with that and a lot more reassuring than a majority of on-line retailers.

I personally havent decided to buy from him yet but i can assure you that his company is one of the top three i am looking at.

P.S. fireman, astronaut or doctor......who cares, the man sells beds and gives out free advice.