Which mattress? (merged threads)

Tim_Deegan

kella wrote: »

Hi Tim

After reading a lot of this forum I think I have estiblish that a pocket sprung memory foam turnable is the best bed. I now know the memory foam should be 2" thick, however I do have a question regarding the memory foam.

Apologies if this sound stupid but does it automatically sink down the 2" or does it depend on the weight of the person. I have tried a few beds in the shops which didnt seem to sink at all, but I was told that it the warmth of your body that make it sink. My husband is heavier than me so would this mean he dips in the bed more, so I would roll into him if I lay close to him or does it sink only slightly. It is very difficult to get the feel for a bed when you cant sleep in it.

Once your body temperature has warmed the memory foam up you will sink most of the 2". This is because it has an open celled construction, and the air seeps out allowing it to mould to your body without causing pressure points.

They were right in the shop what they said that the warmth of your body softens the memory foam. Obviously you can't strip off and lay on the mattress for ages in the shop.

If you go for a mattress with pocket springs and memory foam then you shouldn't get roll together unless you are right next to your husband. the pocket sprung and memory foam (or latex) is the best type of mattress to prevent roll together.

Armchair23

Thanks to all the advice I've bought a bed for our spare room which I'm very happy with.
I'm now going to bite the bullet and choose one for hubby and myself.
Pocket sprung plus foam is tempting, but I really am a fidget a**e and wonder if
I might be better going for a pocket sprung.
Any advice anyone ?

toshkininny

hello has anyone got the premier 2 mattress John Lewis?

Quite expensive, don't want to spend a fortune out like that if bad feedback. Felt okay in the shop, but what's 5 minutes to a night's sleep!

Thanks.

BarB57_2

Tim, HELP
We've had for some time a Sealy Posturepedic De Luxe Princess model with Triple offset mattress springs and Torsion 2000 sprung base. My partner is a fidgeta**e and it's now like sleeping on a jelly. These are my choices:- Dunlopillo Royal Sovereign on sprung edge base £1595. Dunlopillo Memoir £1795 with sprung base or Breasley Salus memoryfoam on firm base £900. Small independent retailer who assures me the Dunlopillo beds are the old style latex. Rest Assured Bluebell 1400 pocket spring with innergetic latex and platform base £840. Finally, Sensaform Sirius Supreme with firm base £1235. It's a lot of money to spend (happy to do) but an expensive mistake if we get the wrong one. My partner gets hot also so have been warned off memoryfoam but shopping is soooo confusing.
Please help.

anthonykeates

Gotta say that buying a new mattress was infinitely more confusing than I ever expected it to be! It's just so difficult to compare one with another.

At first I was very keen on getting memory foam but in the end after lying on countless mattresses on different shops I went with a good old-fashioned pocket sprung job. Only had it a few nights but it's a Millbrook 'Divine' 2000 and have to say I'm very pleased so far - feels and looks very well made (certainly was bloomin heavy) compared to a lot of the ones I saw (especially those in Dreams!). Would recommend it if that helps anyone.

BarB57_2

philjp0 wrote: »

having read most (not all ) of this thread over the last few weeks and having visited and spoke to numerous bed retailers both superstores and independants i thought i would try and sumarise my findings.

Following the advice gained here i was searching for :-

1. a pocket sprung mattress between 1000 and 1800 springs
2.memory foam between 2"and 2.5" deep
3.memory foam density 60 to 70
4.a turnable mattress to extend life and give better value
5.a small/ independent manufacturer/retailer to give better value for money.

Conclusions

1.small independant/ manufacturers give better value for money
2. 1000 to 1800 pocket springs is plenty more seem to be a sales gimmic to justify a higher price.
3. the only mattress i can find that meets ALL the above criteria is the La Romantica Madrid (or venice for a softer feel). I know some links to other turnable memory foam mattress have been posted recently but unless i am mistaken from a quick look they may have been turnable but did not meet the other criteria in one way or another i.e. foam not between 2" and 2.5", foam wrong density, foam in a pillow top (which we have been advised to avoid) and some of the pictures do not suggest memory foam on both sides (i.e. may be turnable but just normal surface other side).

So the Madrid it is but i want to try it. Phone La Romantica no stockists in Manchester and only stockist is Bedlum beds. I could go to their showroom in Halifax to try it but would have to pay the Bedlum price (why is this if i am buying direct?). The only other supplier of the Madrid is in Halifax - is this La Romanticas showroom or an associated business??

phone Bedlum they can supply but not for a while my impression being they drive north collect some madrids for northern delivery and then collect more madrids on way home for southern delivery.Not carried in stock.

i would/ wanted to buy the madrid and i am sure it is an excellent mattress but the following prevented me :

1.only one (possibly 2 sellers) who are not local
2.no obvious competion - why? i came to the conclusion rightly or wrongly that the extra cost (over one sided) isnt justified given extra life they possibly provided if you DO turn regularly. The independant dealers i spoke to could see no benefit or demand.
3. It appears to be tufted and the "experts" i spoke to seemed to think this would prevent the memory foam doing what it is intended to do.
4.but mainly because i could not try it.

I have bought a 1000 pocket sprung, 2" 60kg memory foam mattress ,(untufted), no turn mattress from a local manufacturer for £320 delivered. £150 cheaper than Madrid so even if lasts a few years less i should be okay.

Thanks to Tim for his advice and education ( The lady in Bensons had me looking at beds £800 upwards) you have saved me money and hopefully i have a good mattress that will last years.

Finally, if there are other mattress out there that meet all the above requirements (match the Madrid) surely it would help if Tim named them. Otherwise we only know of the Madrid and as almost only Tim sells this there are always going to be accusations of self promotion. how can suggesting other products do anything but balance out this thread and silence the detractors?

Am off to Snuglands tomorrow to see what they can do for me. Having read a lot of the forum I also was keen on a Madrid but don't fancy driving to Halifax to try one. The divans I've recently looked at ranged in price from £840 to £1795 so eager to look at Snuglands, especially as its just up the road from me. Thanks once again

Tim_Deegan

BarB57 wrote: »

Tim, HELP
We've had for some time a Sealy Posturepedic De Luxe Princess model with Triple offset mattress springs and Torsion 2000 sprung base. My partner is a fidgeta**e and it's now like sleeping on a jelly. These are my choices:- Dunlopillo Royal Sovereign on sprung edge base £1595. Dunlopillo Memoir £1795 with sprung base or Breasley Salus memoryfoam on firm base £900. Small independent retailer who assures me the Dunlopillo beds are the old style latex. Rest Assured Bluebell 1400 pocket spring with innergetic latex and platform base £840. Finally, Sensaform Sirius Supreme with firm base £1235. It's a lot of money to spend (happy to do) but an expensive mistake if we get the wrong one. My partner gets hot also so have been warned off memoryfoam but shopping is soooo confusing.
Please help.

The Posturepaedic spring system is a continuous spring system like Miracoil, and as Sealy is part of the Silentnight group, they are probably made in the same factory. Rest Assured are also part of the Silentnight group.

The continuous spring system is a variation of the open coil spring system that was designed to give better support. However most manufacturers stopped making is because it was so unreliable and noisey.

I'm not sure where the retailer gets his information from, unless he has very old stock. Dunlopillo were taken over by the Hilding Anders Group who also own a number of other bed manufacturers including Slumberland, Myers, and Staples. There have been a number of reports on both MSE and elswhere saying that both Dunlopillo and Myers quality has dropped since being taken over. This is quite often the case when large multinationals take companies over. I'm not sure in which way the quality has been reduced as I haven't seen two side by side to compare.

Breasley get mixed reviews, so it might be worth doing a search in the MSE forums.

Sensaform are Sleepmasters own brand, and have received some very poor reviews on MSE for both the mattresses and after sales service.

Out of the ones you have looked at I'd personally go for Dunlopillo, but they are very expensive. So I'd have a look for some smaller independent manufacturers. Remember it will last far longer if 2 sided.

Tim_Deegan

BarB57 wrote: »

Am off to Snuglands tomorrow to see what they can do for me. Having read a lot of the forum I also was keen on a Madrid but don't fancy driving to Halifax to try one. The divans I've recently looked at ranged in price from £840 to £1795 so eager to look at Snuglands, especially as its just up the road from me. Thanks once again

Try phoning La Romantica in the morning. There are quite a few companies who sell it now that it has become so popular.

toshkininny

Do you know I decided to read about mattresses from the 1st of May onwards on this thread. At one point, I thought I might need the popcorn and beers to settle in for reading a whole lot of slanging goin' awn, but hopefully we are all over that now.

BUT - I have come out the other end completely bewildered. I thought I knew what I wanted, but you have all made me doubt 'my' mattress that I found all by meself (see post above!)

All I know is that

1. the bed we have bought has slats
2. we are two tall peepaal
3 fat (huuuuuuggeee)
4. we fidget like there's no tomorrow
5. MOST IMPORTANTLY IT FEELS LIKE I HAVE A HOT FLUSH DURING THE NIGHT - SO DOES MY OH AND HE'S A BLOKE!

Did you say, Tim, that a pocket spring is not good for slatted bed, I've forgotten already? Wouldn't 3,500 springs be good for fatties? And main question, what's the best mattress for people who get hot under the covers?!

Thanking you all, and remember life's too short (especially as we spend half of it in bed).

Tim_Deegan

toshkininny wrote: »

Do you know I decided to read about mattresses from the 1st of May onwards on this thread. At one point, I thought I might need the popcorn and beers to settle in for reading a whole lot of slanging goin' awn, but hopefully we are all over that now.

BUT - I have come out the other end completely bewildered. I thought I knew what I wanted, but you have all made me doubt 'my' mattress that I found all by meself (see post above!)

All I know is that

1. the bed we have bought has slats
2. we are two tall peepaal
3 fat (huuuuuuggeee)
4. we fidget like there's no tomorrow
5. MOST IMPORTANTLY IT FEELS LIKE I HAVE A HOT FLUSH DURING THE NIGHT - SO DOES MY OH AND HE'S A BLOKE!

Did you say, Tim, that a pocket spring is not good for slatted bed, I've forgotten already? Wouldn't 3,500 springs be good for fatties? And main question, what's the best mattress for people who get hot under the covers?!

Thanking you all, and remember life's too short (especially as we spend half of it in bed).

Pocket sprung mattresses don't like slatted beds because the springs try to push down between the slats. However you can either add extra slats to close the gaps up to 1", or you can lay a sheet of pegboard (or hardboard) over the slats to spread the weight out.

I take it you haven't bought the mattress yet?

I normally recommend between 1000 and 1800 pocket springs in a king size mattress. If you have too many springs then each individual spring has to be so small to fit them all in the mattress that they can get damaged very easily.

Make sure the mattress is two sided so that it will wear evenly.