Which mattress? (merged threads)

headcrash27

I know, we thought we were getting a real bargain though! All the feedback said how fantastic the mattress was and how it was really comfortable. I knew it was a risk buying from ebay but I really didn't think it would be as uncomfortable as it is.

As for criteria, a non roll together one would be better, i'm 16 stone and my partner's only 9 stone so we would probably need that. Although we didn't feel as if were rolling together on the Myers mattress or is that something that would only happen over time? Also I work shifts so one with not too much movement would be nice. It says that the Myers one is cage sprung, do you know if that is similar to pocket sprung? Sorry for all the questions but I find all the different terminology really confusing!

Tim_Deegan

I don't suppose you can give us a link to the mattress you bought?

The reason I ask is because there are a number of sellers on ebay who are selling so called memory foam mattresses at very low prices, when they don't actually contain any memory foam.

Also have you contacted the seller to complain?

There should be no risk ing buying beds off ebay as long as you follow the guidelines that I have previously posted on MSE.


As for the two mattresses that you asked about. I've googled the Myers Champagne but the only results I can find are on mattressman. So I presume that they have started doing what many of the large retailers do, and get manufacturers to rename mattresses so that they can charge what they want with no comparison. The mattress seems to be very over priced for what is basically a 9" deep open coil sprung mattress.

As for the shakespear. I haven't heard of the brand, but the fact that it is a pocket sprung mattress (even if it may be an entry level one) makes it by far the better buy out of the two.

Tim_Deegan

headcrash27 wrote: »

It says that the Myers one is cage sprung, do you know if that is similar to pocket sprung? Sorry for all the questions but I find all the different terminology really confusing!

Cage sprung is open coil sprung.

headcrash27

Hi Tim,

Here's a link to the mattress:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HIGHLAND-10-DOUBLE-VISCO-MEMORY-FOAM-MATTRESS-4-FT-6_W0QQitemZ350087171080QQihZ022QQcategoryZ37647QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1262

I haven't complained to him because I doubt he will do anything, his returns policy is that you can only return it if it is in the sealed packaging and unused so i think I will just have to write it off.

Regarding the Myers champagne I have found it on quite a few websites, as well as in my local bedshop although some sites refer to it as the champagne/absolute luxury mattress.

However if you think the Shakespeare provides better value for money then I think i will go for that one. Do you think £235 is a reasonable price for a pocket sprung mattress or could I get one cheaper if I looked around a bit more?
Thanks for your help.

Rogerb_2

Hi All

Read all through this thread and picked up a lot of info thanks - so now its decision time. Budget is important and we are looking at these 3 John Lewis own named mattresses.

Double size --Natural pocket 1

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Nat pocket 2

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Nat pocket 3
Price

---

295

---

350

---

450
Pocket Springs --525

---

729

---

870
Turnable

---

yes

---

no

---

no
ok slatted bed ---yes

---

yes

---

yes

It seems that spring numbers are important - 800 min on kingsize per Tim but in every other respect including price the pocket 1 is probably best for us. Saw an article elsewhere saying you shouldn't use pocket springs on slatted beds but JL specifically say its ok on theirs. Also seen elsewhere non turnable mattresses are potentially compromises on cost / quality and could wear quicker.

Memory foam for me has been awful - its foam on foam and so hot and only comfortable for a few hours.

Any inputs and tips welcome please - Tim if reading this are the spring counts critical ? Also I noted that you posted this entry level £295 one should be ok for somebody else who asked earlier.

I am avoiding big brand names, but yet to be disappointed with a JL product of any sort.

maypole

Rogerb wrote: »

Hi All

Read all through this thread and picked up a lot of info thanks - so now its decision time. Budget is important and we are looking at these 3 John Lewis own named mattresses.

Double size --Natural pocket 1

---

Nat pocket 2

---

Nat pocket 3
Price

---

295

---

350

---

450
Pocket Springs --525

---

729

---

870
Turnable

---

yes

---

no

---

no
ok slatted bed ---yes

---

yes

---

yes

It seems that spring numbers are important - 800 min on kingsize per Tim but in every other respect including price the pocket 1 is probably best for us. Saw an article elsewhere saying you shouldn't use pocket springs on slatted beds but JL specifically say its ok on theirs. Also seen elsewhere non turnable mattresses are potentially compromises on cost / quality and could wear quicker.

Memory foam for me has been awful - its foam on foam and so hot and only comfortable for a few hours.

Any inputs and tips welcome please - Tim if reading this are the spring counts critical ? Also I noted that you posted this entry level £295 one should be ok for somebody else who asked earlier.

I am avoiding big brand names, but yet to be disappointed with a JL product of any sort.

Hello,

It's me who has just ordered the JL natural pocket 1. I queried the use on a slatted bed and was assured it would be ok. It was being displayed on a slatted bed, mind you I didn't look to see how far apart the slats were. Ours is for use on a spare bed only, so won't get much use, but before the guests sleep on it we will have a night on it to see what it is like.

I am just off to measure the space between the slats on the spare bed!

Tim_Deegan

headcrash27 wrote: »

Hi Tim,

Here's a link to the mattress:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HIGHLAND-10-DOUBLE-VISCO-MEMORY-FOAM-MATTRESS-4-FT-6_W0QQitemZ350087171080QQihZ022QQcategoryZ37647QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1262

I haven't complained to him because I doubt he will do anything, his returns policy is that you can only return it if it is in the sealed packaging and unused so i think I will just have to write it off.

Regarding the Myers champagne I have found it on quite a few websites, as well as in my local bedshop although some sites refer to it as the champagne/absolute luxury mattress.

However if you think the Shakespeare provides better value for money then I think i will go for that one. Do you think £235 is a reasonable price for a pocket sprung mattress or could I get one cheaper if I looked around a bit more?
Thanks for your help.

I wish people would read my guides before buying memory foam or any other type of mattress through ebay. If a memory foam mattress is as cheap as that then there is a very good reason for it. You can't even make a high quality memory foam mattress for that price.

I notice one feedback says that the mattress wasn't as described, in which case you could take up a dispute through ebay.

As far as returning it goes you should read up on distance selling regs.


The Myers is an open coil sprung mattress, not an 'absolute luxury mattress'. remember what I said about stores sales techniques, they will tell you what you want to hear.

Personally I'd be suspicious of a pocket sprung double mattress for £235. Yet again it seems too cheap.

Tim_Deegan

Rogerb wrote: »

Hi All

Read all through this thread and picked up a lot of info thanks - so now its decision time. Budget is important and we are looking at these 3 John Lewis own named mattresses.

Double size --Natural pocket 1

---

Nat pocket 2

---

Nat pocket 3
Price

---

295

---

350

---

450
Pocket Springs --525

---

729

---

870
Turnable

---

yes

---

no

---

no
ok slatted bed ---yes

---

yes

---

yes

It seems that spring numbers are important - 800 min on kingsize per Tim but in every other respect including price the pocket 1 is probably best for us. Saw an article elsewhere saying you shouldn't use pocket springs on slatted beds but JL specifically say its ok on theirs. Also seen elsewhere non turnable mattresses are potentially compromises on cost / quality and could wear quicker.

Memory foam for me has been awful - its foam on foam and so hot and only comfortable for a few hours.

Any inputs and tips welcome please - Tim if reading this are the spring counts critical ? Also I noted that you posted this entry level £295 one should be ok for somebody else who asked earlier.

I am avoiding big brand names, but yet to be disappointed with a JL product of any sort.

JL shouldn't be telling you that you can use a turnable pocket sprung mattress on a slatted base.

The reason for this is because each spring works independently, and will try and push between the slats if they are more than 1" apart. This will obviously damage the springs.

If the mattress is non turn then they sometimes have a hard layer that stops the springs pushing between the slats. But as you say the mattress won't last as long if you can't turn it.

JL might not be a big brand in beds, but they are still a huge retail outlet who try and fine every possible way to cut costs in order to increase profits.

Maypole, you didn't say you were using it on a slatted base. I would cancel your order immediately.

maypole

Tim_Deegan wrote: »

JL shouldn't be telling you that you can use a turnable pocket sprung mattress on a slatted base.

The reason for this is because each spring works independently, and will try and push between the slats if they are more than 1" apart. This will obviously damage the springs.

If the mattress is non turn then they sometimes have a hard layer that stops the springs pushing between the slats. But as you say the mattress won't last as long if you can't turn it.

JL might not be a big brand in beds, but they are still a huge retail outlet who try and fine every possible way to cut costs in order to increase profits.

Maypole, you didn't say you were using it on a slatted base. I would cancel your order immediately.

Tim, actually, it was Fenwicks of Newcastle said that their mattresses could be used on a slatted base, sorry. I then just assumed this when I went in to JL. They had the mattress I bought displayed on a sprung slatted base .
Just checked again and in the description of the mattress they say it is suitable to be used with THEIR slatted base beds. :eek: better ring them tomorrow I think.

EDIT: could we not just put some pegboard on the base?

headcrash27

Tim_Deegan wrote: »

I wish people would read my guides before buying memory foam or any other type of mattress through ebay. If a memory foam mattress is as cheap as that then there is a very good reason for it. You can't even make a high quality memory foam mattress for that price.

I notice one feedback says that the mattress wasn't as described, in which case you could take up a dispute through ebay.

As far as returning it goes you should read up on distance selling regs.


The Myers is an open coil sprung mattress, not an 'absolute luxury mattress'. remember what I said about stores sales techniques, they will tell you what you want to hear.

Personally I'd be suspicious of a pocket sprung double mattress for £235. Yet again it seems too cheap.

I didn't know you had written a guide, however I did read up on it on the internet and the density and thickness of memory foam seemed good. Plus with all the positive feedback I thought it would be okay. It seems that I am in the exception in not liking it as going by his feedback most people seem to love it. I can't see the feedback saying it isn't as described, could you possibly put up the link to it please?

I hear what you're saying about £235 being too cheap, but we really can't afford to spend any more than that, especially after loosing our money on ebay, so I just want to get the best we can afford for our money even if we have to replace it in a few years.