Which mattress? (merged threads)

Tim_Deegan

fletch3163 wrote: »

Sorry Ti, it all gets confusing and I'm determined not to let go of my new found resolve to have purchased beds by the end of this weekend, hence my manic-ness You thought the those I'd chosen represented VFM and I wondered if you thought them good beds at the same time?

Re the other two links, I've done one and when I use the same spec as I'm potentially buying (damask, pocket springs, etc) there's no difference. I nearly made a HUGE mistake last week buying a "bargain" which would have been money down the drain for me (TJHughes) eeek!

Aw, would you look at that, my first ever "Quote", am SO proud:D

Can I just say that a mattress can't be described as VFM if it is poor quality. You can only really describe it as VFM if it is a good mattress at a very good price.

Dig deeper.......many bed stores only display basic specs. This means that two mattresses at completely different ends of the quality scale could appear to be very similar. So ask for more detailed specifications.

Tim_Deegan

fletch3163 wrote: »

Am SO close now, YIPEE!!

Think am altering the small double's base to a sprung one (son's 11 and will probably bounce on the thing - upping price by £50) and reduce my KS mattress to Kozeesleep Pocket Master £285 from Restus at £386

The Pocketmaster is an entry level mattress.

You can get a much better mattress for the same money if you go for an independent manufacturer.

TiTheRev

Are Kozeesleep not an independent then?

Tim_Deegan

TiTheRev wrote: »

Are Kozeesleep not an independent then?

It is, but it is the UK's largest independent bed manufacturer, so like with some of the other large brands tyou don't get as much for your money as with smaller independents.

Quark_GB

Again, Many Thanks Tim.

Tim_Deegan wrote: »

The memory foam depth and density looks good.

The bed has now been delivered (pre ordered deadline). The mattress weighs a ton. Well actually 41Kg handling label and a more likely 35.60Kg on delivery note. (I have tried to keep reply as short and to point as able. Sorry all for long length).

Tim_Deegan wrote: »

From what I remember from the photo the mattress was not tufted. It is possible that it could be micro quilted, but definately not deep quilted on a memory foam mattress, as it would stop the memory foam working properly.

That's exactly right! Sorry, forgot to to mention the micro, and didn't appreciate the difference or the existance of the deep quilted.

Tim_Deegan wrote: »

I'm puzzled as to why it would contain flex bond.

What would flex bond be or do? (could have been flexi?) Later said Nova? or like also, perhaps I did not hear correctly.
(The Flex Bond or Nova? or whatever was told, has caused me concern whether springs might be foam enscapulated.
But was assured not. Also it does have breathable vents, so would hope this further confirms is not so!).

Tim_Deegan wrote: »

From what you have said it sounds like the mattress may be two sided, but only has memory foam on one side, and is possibly deep quilted on the other.

Still bit of a mystery there just yet. Catalogue & on line seem to confirm two sided. Top/label side is definitely micro quilted and more rounded (raised/padded). Other side is flat and not too sure from memory if has quilting. [Have now taken off bed to check.
There is no quilting or tufting!].
So called 'Care Instructions' one sheet of paper is inaccessable inside plastic covering and going to stay there until after initial bed
test complete! [Have now managed to get view. Is multi purpose and no help as to identify single sided or double!!].

To be honest, given the weight of it, also our age, as with another post seen. I'm not too sure we want to hump it about very often anyway! Although noting, that as you have said, if it can be turned even on occasion, mattress life will be prolonged.
Double sided would still be the preferred option. Am now alarmed that is single sided. Or is double possible without quilting? (I would imagine not?!).

Tim_Deegan wrote: »

The industry standard is to give the number of springs for a king size mattress. Are you sure it wasn't 1053 in a king size, but less in a double?

As in a prev. post, model is called ' Ashbourne 1200 Memory'. But have since seen number of springs listed as 1230, which I guess would be, as you say, for the King size? (& 1053 in the double).

Tim_Deegan wrote: »

For some reason most pocket springs aren't rated thith the imperial gauge, but the thickness of the wire is usually given in mm (this is the oposite for open coil springs). I have done a bit of research and found this conversion table:

Tim_Deegan wrote: »

Oops, the table didn't work on here, so follow this link to find it

Thanks!

Tim_Deegan wrote: »

If it contained around 1000 springs in a king size mattress then with the springs being between 1.6mm and 1.7mm which would equate to 16.5 gauge, then the springs would be rated as medium to firm.

Sounds about right then? It is listed as medium to firm. But so was the Carlton Trizone Memory ("288 Springs"). This does seem at
first impression to be firmer and more supportive as hoped, which was my main concern. And of course it is pocket sprung.

Tim_Deegan wrote: »

It amazes me that the manufacturer can't give you the exact spec, as they must have a copy of the spec requested from Argos. This makes me suspicous that as with many many chain stores who get manufacturers to make items to their own spec, they are probably made to a low cost/low spec rather than for quality.

Yes, I guess they have to be made down to a price like a few others I should think. As said before I wouldn't buy at (non sale) full/inflated price anyway. Lack of information did also seem to be due to insufficient staff able to deal with detailed queries, which I did find surprising.

We have now had two nights 'test' sleep. At first impression it does seem firmer and more supportive. (than Carlton).
Although after only second night I notice when I sit on the edge of the bed on my side, (not recommended I believe, but unavoidable when getting out or in). That it now seems to compress to about only half depth. True I'm not as light as I would like. But am now concerned if this may be trouble brewing or not, especially if does turn out not to be double sided after all!

Many thanks.
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fletch3163

............ am going for one last attempt!!

Just about to go online for places to visit in my home town. I did try one of the online shops but they can't do it for 3 weeks and not the ones I counted and fussed and budgeted and fretted over Gee Whizz, can getting a good night's sleep get any tougher?

Am grateful for the help given though, thanks

atticgirl2003

Hi Does anyone know if you can buy a base without the mattress.
Bed is quite new, however, I find it is a little high and would like a lower base.

vivatifosi

Hi atticgirl,

I bought a new base for my bed, so yes, though you may not be able to get an exactly matching divan fabric. However, you may be able to lower the base by taking it off the legs and screwing castors directly into the base, thus saving the cost. I'm hoping Tim will be along shortly and say whether that's a viable option. It has been for one of my beds though not the other (as the legs were different lengths)

atticgirl2003

Hi Vivatifosi,

My base is on castors and has four drawers, so not able to lower it.
Even if I did take the castors off, it would still be too high.

Thanks for your reply.
Will look out for Tim

Tim_Deegan

Quark_GB wrote: »

Again, Many Thanks Tim.

What would flex bond be or do? (could have been flexi?) Later said Nova? or like also, perhaps I did not hear correctly.
(The Flex Bond or Nova? or whatever was told, has caused me concern whether springs might be foam enscapulated.
But was assured not. Also it does have breathable vents, so would hope this further confirms is not so!).

Flex bond would normally be used in a mattress that didn't contain memory foam.

I'm not convinced that it isn't reflex foam encapsulated springs. It looks like one, and they diddn't seem too sure about other specs. Feel along the side of the mattress, does it feel like foam, or can you easily feel the springs?

The vents don't prove anything.

Quark_GB wrote: »

Still bit of a mystery there just yet. Catalogue & on line seem to confirm two sided. Top/label side is definitely micro quilted and more rounded (raised/padded). Other side is flat and not too sure from memory if has quilting. [Have now taken off bed to check.
There is no quilting or tufting!].
So called 'Care Instructions' one sheet of paper is inaccessable inside plastic covering and going to stay there until after initial bed
test complete! [Have now managed to get view. Is multi purpose and no help as to identify single sided or double!!].

Personally I think they have made a mistake by saying 'turn mattress often'. If it was two sided then you would expect them to make a big thing of it.

Quark_GB wrote: »

Sounds about right then? It is listed as medium to firm. But so was the Carlton Trizone Memory ("288 Springs"). This does seem at
first impression to be firmer and more supportive as hoped, which was my main concern. And of course it is pocket sprung.

It could take a few weeks before you know the true firmness of the mattress.

Quark_GB wrote: »

Yes, I guess they have to be made down to a price like a few others I should think. As said before I wouldn't buy at (non sale) full/inflated price anyway. Lack of information did also seem to be due to insufficient staff able to deal with detailed queries, which I did find surprising.

The lack of information is deliberate. They do it so that they can compare it to a higher spec mattress because the basic spec seems similar.

If you got it in the sale with Argos then it is probably end of range. So you will probably have a good bargain.

Quark_GB wrote: »

We have now had two nights 'test' sleep. At first impression it does seem firmer and more supportive. (than Carlton).
Although after only second night I notice when I sit on the edge of the bed on my side, (not recommended I believe, but unavoidable when getting out or in). That it now seems to compress to about only half depth. True I'm not as light as I would like. But am now concerned if this may be trouble brewing or not, especially if does turn out not to be double sided after all!

Pocket springs will squash down more than the open coil springs in your old mattress.