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HateLPG

DAVID.T wrote: »

Your price increased by 48% in 12 months and you feel they gave you a good deal?

It's all relative, isn't it. After all, someone on here quoted on here just a few weeks back "54p may not seem good to some, but it is actually a fair price at the moment."

Hmmmm.... let me think, if memory serves it was someone in the industry. Might have been a chap called David.T

We'll agree to differ on our usual 5p "rep's BMW margin", David, but personally I 49ppl is probably about the right sort of price at the moment (sadly!)

ilikecookies

DAVID.T wrote: »

Your price increased by 48% in 12 months and you feel they gave you a good deal?

48% sounds idyllic - my price with Flogas has gone up 60% in the sorry 6 months I've been with them (39p in October to 62.5p when this new hike is added on)! Thankfully we are not locked into a contract so will be exiting very soon.

You can be sure they are signing new customers up at the market rate which seems to be around 45p/litre at the moment.

But as much as I enjoy bashing Flogas my view is that it just isn't possible to get a good deal with any LPG supplier based on the current practice of 2-year tie ins. I'll be moving to oil as a result which yes has its flaws but at least there is a semblance of a market/competition between suppliers and you can at least "stock up" when the price is lower.

HateLPG

Extract from Westminster Hall Debate, 15th February 2011 (as recorded in Hansard and available on theyworkforyou.com at http://www.theyworkforyou.com/whall/?id=2011-02-15a.197.0)

The speaker was Simon Hart MP (Carmarthen West and South Pembrokeshire, Conservative)

I shall try to bring together some of the comments made this morning by mentioning two examples from my constituency that illustrate the problem we have. The first issue is something we have not referred to this morning: the cost of domestic fuel for purposes other than simply driving. I thank my constituent Colin Keen for raising that matter. I shall give a quick example. Between Christmas eve and about the middle of January, people who were tied into domestic fuel contracts with a company called Flogas had a 46% increase in their fuel prices. That is an unsustainable and unjustifiable increase, which has a considerable indirect and direct effect on the rural community and the rural business network. It would be helpful for the Minister to address the problem experienced-at least in my part of the world-by a number of householders who are on large estates. They are tied into lengthy fuel contracts that they cannot reasonably or, in some cases, legally get out of. Their domestic fuel prices are apparently being adjusted without any reference being made to them and without them being able to do anything about it at all.

And this was before the latest 8ppl bombshell hit!

HateLPG

Just spotted this. Is this a hint of things to come? Are DCC/Flogas about to do to the LPG market what they've already done to the Oil market (i.e. monopolised a very large chunk of it)?

Flogas, the Leicester-based liquefied petroleum gas (LPG) company, has acquired LPG specialist Metcalfe and Evans. Warrington-based Metcalfe and Evans will become “a valuable asset” to the commercial arm of Flogas, said managing director Henry Cubbon.

(From http://www.insidermedia.com/insider/midlands/47101-flogas-snaps-warrington-firm/)

GrandadRob

Still waiting for a site visit from Shell. But just as if to give me a happy send off......... Those lovely people at Flogas have sent me a letter today, informing me of an EIGHT PENCE price hike. That would take my price to 76p per litre. But if I place an order before March 12th, I can get a top up at the one-off, bargain, never to be repeated, price of 68 ppl............WOW ! Now, where did I put that phone..................:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

LittleVermin

GrandadRob wrote: »

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Those lovely people at Flogas have sent me a letter today, informing me of an EIGHT PENCE price hike. That would take my price to 76p per litre. But if I place an order before March 12th, I can get a top up at the one-off, bargain, never to be repeated, price of 68 ppl............WOW ! Now, where did I put that phone..................:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

(my bold)

Meanwhile back at Extra Gas HQ in Manchester the monthly price has dropped from 54.27 in January, to 50.23 in February to 49.72 this month!

And when I order a fill-up from Extra Gas soon the delivery will be made down here in Cornwall by our friends at Flogas! I do so hope they won't make a loss on the stuff they put in my tank.


So, please, anyone reading this who hasn't added their 'thanks' to voisin's post - asking for the LPG 'market' to be looked at - please do so. I know OFT is investigating off-grid energy prices and expects to publish its recommendations by October but if ML also puts LPG in his 'moneyfesto' and talks to top politicians it may help. 79 of us have added our thanks so far - and requests to do so have come from Den2Mark, frankie, HateLPG, MaritzUK, myself, ...

Ozzysmate

GrandadRob wrote: »

Still waiting for a site visit from Shell. But just as if to give me a happy send off......... Those lovely people at Flogas have sent me a letter today, informing me of an EIGHT PENCE price hike. That would take my price to 76p per litre. But if I place an order before March 12th, I can get a top up at the one-off, bargain, never to be repeated, price of 68 ppl............WOW ! Now, where did I put that phone..................:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Is that the letter dated the 28th Feb? If so it's the same one that took two days to get to me via steam email. I thought I was the biggest mug around at 73ppl but you beat me hands down with 76p. Looks like Flogas have taken the latter part of your name, a little too literally, as an invitation :mad:

I came across an old file today with British Gas and, more recently, Flogas invoices and statements. It looks to make interesting reading with the first delivery dated Oct. 96. First fill of 1787L @ 14.75ppl and a total price of £186.92 after deduction of a free £100 worth.

LittleVermin

HateLPG wrote: »

Extract from Westminster Hall Debate, 15th February 2011 (as recorded in Hansard and available on theyworkforyou.com at http://www.theyworkforyou.com/whall/?id=2011-02-15a.197.0)

The speaker was Simon Hart MP (Carmarthen West and South Pembrokeshire, Conservative)

Simon Hart MP: "I thank my constituent Colin Keen for raising that matter. I shall give a quick example. Between Christmas eve and about the middle of January, people who were tied into domestic fuel contracts with a company called Flogas had a 46% increase in their fuel prices. That is an unsustainable and unjustifiable increase"

Did anyone on this forum have this rise, please? It's astounding - even for Flogas.

If the constituent was paying 35ppl, the rise was 16 p,

if paying 40 ppl the rise was 18.4 p, and

if paying 45ppl the rise was 20.7 p.

HateLPG/ wrote:

And this was before the latest 8ppl bombshell hit

So, with the aid of my calculator, between Christmas eve 2010 and April Fool's Day 2011,

on 35 ppl the rise will have been 24p, or 69%

on 40ppl the rise will have been 26.4p, or 66%, and

on 45ppl the rise will have been 28.7p ... a very modest rise of only 64%.


Of course, I have assumed that Flogas has treated all their customers fairly by awarding each the same 8p price rise.

GrandadRob

Ozzysmate....Yes I started in around 97/98 and was paying British Gas around 18ppl. Given to Flogas after a while, and stayed loyal ever since. You see that's why I get the best treatment from Flogas, and get the title of biggest mug of all, as well as those last minute offers at 68ppl....:j:j:rotfl::rotfl:

Ozzysmate

LittleVermin wrote: »

Simon Hart MP: "I thank my constituent Colin Keen for raising that matter. I shall give a quick example. Between Christmas eve and about the middle of January, people who were tied into domestic fuel contracts with a company called Flogas had a 46% increase in their fuel prices. That is an unsustainable and unjustifiable increase"

Did anyone on this forum have this rise, please? It's astounding - even for Flogas.

If the constituent was paying 35ppl, the rise was 16 p,

if paying 40 ppl the rise was 18.4 p, and

if paying 45ppl the rise was 20.7 p.



So, with the aid of my calculator, between Christmas eve 2010 and April Fool's Day 2011,

on 35 ppl the rise will have been 24p, or 69%

on 40ppl the rise will have been 26.4p, or 66%, and

on 45ppl the rise will have been 28.7p ... a very modest rise of only 64%.


Of course, I have assumed that Flogas has treated all their customers fairly by awarding each the same 8p price rise.

Feb 2010 I paid 41ppl;
Nov. 2010 it was 49.50ppl;
currently 65ppl
and of course April 1st 73ppl

With an increase date of 1st April, maybe FG are working on the adage 'A fool and his money are soon parted'

So my 41ppl to 65ppl in 12 months tops your 46%

I don't want to think about 41ppl to 73ppl in 14 months.