Moving House OH Been refused time off...!!

Captain_Mainwaring_2

That's nothing to do with it as you well know.
Anyway you must behave as you see fit and feel comfortable.

Some people wear fake Rolex watches, drive 1993 Vauxhall Astra and skive off work, some people put the time in and wear genuine Rolex watches and drive new Mercs, it's all a matter of pride in oneself.

Hehehe

kunekune

Different tack: if the English system of house selling/buying was more rational this kind of problem wouldn't happen. This wasn't a case of lack of planning: they knew on Monday that they had to move on Friday. Not sure how else they could have handled it ... book every friday off for a month? Surely employers have moved house in this absurd system and know what it's like.

I'm with the people who doubted parental leave had anything to do with it. That is generally booked in advance, and isn't about one-off days. In my job this would be emergency leave.

Annpan

Captain_Mainwaring wrote: »

That's nothing to do with it as you well know.
Anyway you must behave as you see fit and feel comfortable.

Some people wear fake Rolex watches, drive 1993 Vauxhall Astra and skive off work, some people put the time in and wear genuine Rolex watches and drive new Mercs, it's all a matter of pride in oneself.

Hehehe

Where are you today where it's raining? Been lovely here in Staffordshire. Just barbecued a couple of burgers. Sunny all day. Anyway, are you really bothered?

PasturesNew

confused31 wrote: »

if you think its your responsibility to cover for someone who is off more fool you.

It is your responsibility if the job is an important one and the boss asks/tells you to do it.

confused31 wrote: »

You are only paid to carry out the job you do, not to do 2 peoples work, thats how people loose their jobs, because of old goody 2 shoes doing 2 jobs instead of 1.

Most contracts say your job is to do whatever's needed of you; what they ask you to do.

confused31 wrote: »

If you can do your job and someone elses job you must have a really easy job, theres no way i could do 2 jobs where i work.

What invariably happens is you do the bit of theirs that needs to be done and a bit of yours, then you have to make up yours in your own time by rushing for the next 2-3 days.

confused31 wrote: »

At the end of the day, people who work for large firms are treated differently to small and medium size firms, also it depends on what your occupation is.

Basically you are just a number and when your gone there is always someone there to replace you.

While you're there, they own you.

confused31 wrote: »

We all go to work for one reason only and thats the money, if you do 2 jobs do you get paid twice the money?

We go to work for the money - and to keep the job.
If you do 2 jobs, no, you just get your usual salary.

Perhaps you can let us know what you do that enables you to have such a "me me me" attitude in the workplace.

Annpan

I think Confused is a little bitter with life. We all step up and cover for absent workmates when required. It's called flexibility. However, if it goes beyond that, then Confused has a point and extra payment should be made. I think it enriches your job sometimes to cope when understaffed and if it's appreciated it doesn't have to be financial appreciation.

chappers

Captain_Mainwaring wrote: »

Another Arthur Scargill Wannabe.

I expect they have a procedure for dealing with lazy oiks, it's called a recession and redundancy. Too bad, so sad, bye-bye.

It's nothing to do with that.
I have avery strong work ethic, I have too as i too run my own business(building company) and know only too well the knock on effect of people not turning in.
However this guy wants a day off work to move house we are not talking about whether it's right or wrong to throw sickies.I agree as much as the next man that persistent offenders should be hauled through the disciplinary procedure as quick as possible and to either mend their ways or be fired out the door.
I was just pointing out that there was little his employer could do if he took the time off sick.

If I had a good work/attendance record and was fired for taking a day off sick, I would have the greatest pleasure in taking a tyranical, bigoted boss like yourself to a tribunal.

PasturesNew wrote:

Speaking as somebody with a strong work ethic, it is very demoralising in the workplace when you see "rights" being abused ... because it means some other bugg4h is roped in to do the work, often in addition to their own as there was no warning.

When you're the only sad sap sat there diligently working away come rain, shine or death, to have others around you twisting the rules and assuming their own sub-set, it's quite disheartening.

However this is a one off and when your boss has no flexibility with regards to a major event such as moving house, then what do you do.

For gods sake we are talking about keeping a wharehouse tidy just so his boss looks good for a visit from head office.

confused31_2

chappers wrote: »

For gods sake we are talking about keeping a wharehouse tidy just so his boss looks good for a visit from head office.

Thats what i cant understand, it would be different if he was a surgeon and people where relying on him to do a life and death opperation.

If it is a bit untidy i dont suppose its going to be a massive issue.

I dont get paid if i have time off for looking after my kids, so it isnt as if im robbing from my employer.

Where i work i have floating days, but often i get refused the days i want, so what i do is say ill have it as parental leave, then they usually honour me the day as holiday, as they dont want me to be off twice.

Also where i work if a gaffer seen 1 person doing a 2 man job, it would be classed as a 1 man job and the other person would be removed.

Maybe my employer is a bit sneaky and thats why most the people who work there use the system in place.

My answer to the first post was if he had phoned up friday morning and said he needs to look after his children as he has had problems with his babysitter, there would not have been a problem apart from a slightly messy wharehouse.

If his employer tried to sack him for that he would find it very hard to do so, you people might say you would sack someone if they did it, and in the next breath you are telling them to let the kids bunk off school.

I dont use the parental leave or the emergency leave all the time to look after my kids, but it is there for anyone who wants to use it who needs time off and has children under the age of 5.

Whether its morrally wrong to use it is down to the individual, i was just stating what he could do if he wanted.

confused

tbs624

kunekune wrote: »

Different tack: if the English system of house selling/buying was more rational this kind of problem wouldn't happen.

Useful point about the housing system but IMO it would still happen for other things because people don’t think, and some have the views that Confused does about dropping one on your colleagues.

kunekune wrote: »

This wasn't a case of lack of planning: they knew on Monday that they had to move on Friday. Not sure how else they could have handled it ...

The OP's husband was off on the Monday and rang in to leave a message but then “went out and didn’t think to follow it up”, knowing that the manager has his/her days off on the following 2 days. Sorry, but that looks like a lack of planning/forethought to me. It’s a question of getting your priorities sorted surely? Need the day off ? - then make sure you’ve got it at the very earliest opportunity.

kunekune wrote: »

……book every friday off for a month? Surely employers have moved house in this absurd system and know what it's like.

As I said earlier, you have plenty of time in which to mention at work in advance that you’ll need time off for your upcoming housemove, & that you’ll need some flexibility. Even if you loathe your work and your boss, they pay the wages that are presumably providing the means to move house and, additionally, as I’ve already said, maybe most people give a bit of thought now and again to those who are in the same job and may be called in on their day off to provide cover at short notice. Presumably whatever your colleagues might have planned is less important?

I think the post maybe could more truthfully have been headed as “ oops, OH failed to properly sort out time off for house move”, but that’s a tad less dramatic and acknowledges a bit of self-responsibility.

Captain_Mainwaring_2

chappers wrote: »

It's nothing to do with that.
I have avery strong work ethic, I have too as i too run my own business(building company) and know only too well the knock on effect of people not turning in.
However this guy wants a day off work to move house we are not talking about whether it's right or wrong to throw sickies.I agree as much as the next man that persistent offenders should be hauled through the disciplinary procedure as quick as possible and to either mend their ways or be fired out the door.
I was just pointing out that there was little his employer could do if he took the time off sick.

If I had a good work/attendance record and was fired for taking a day off sick, I would have the greatest pleasure in taking a tyranical, bigoted boss like yourself to a tribunal.





However this is a one off and when your boss has no flexibility with regards to a major event such as moving house, then what do you do.

For gods sake we are talking about keeping a wharehouse tidy just so his boss looks good for a visit from head office.

Actually as mentioned above, I couldn't give a frogs fat harris about it.

Hold on just a sec though, you have a contract with your boss, as you have a contract to buy or rent a house, is the guy who puts food on your plate not equally important if not more so?

Had you considered (sorry OP) that this guy doesn't have a good attendance record and that is why his boss has said no? I'd think that if you had asked for time off and been refused that your boss may get a bit wise to it.

You want to "throw sickies" then run your own business and don't expect anyone else to pay for it, there is a forum to help you on this very site.

Don't talk out of your hat - you asked for a day off and were refused it, then you took that day off "sick" and were taken to task for doing so then you aren't taken anyone to a tribunal.

Whether you run the place or just sweep the warehouse floor you need to take pride in what you do and more importantly yourself.

If you just sweep the floor and don't take it seriously, then you are hardly going to graduate to cleaning the boghouse are you?

It would do a few militant whingers good to run their own business for a bit, they would see which side the old bread was buttered on.

We wonder why migrants come here and make a success because whatever they are ability they take turning up at work as a serious matter.

Anyway, maybe he pulled "a sickie", maybe his boss let him have the time anyway, maybe the deal fell over.

confused31_2

Captain_Mainwaring wrote: »

Actually as mentioned above, I couldn't give a frogs fat harris about it.

Hold on just a sec though, you have a contract with your boss, as you have a contract to buy or rent a house, is the guy who puts food on your plate not equally important if not more so?

Had you considered (sorry OP) that this guy doesn't have a good attendance record and that is why his boss has said no? I'd think that if you had asked for time off and been refused that your boss may get a bit wise to it.

You want to "throw sickies" then run your own business and don't expect anyone else to pay for it, there is a forum to help you on this very site.

Don't talk out of your hat - you asked for a day off and were refused it, then you took that day off "sick" and were taken to task for doing so then you aren't taken anyone to a tribunal.

Whether you run the place or just sweep the warehouse floor you need to take pride in what you do and more importantly yourself.

If you just sweep the floor and don't take it seriously, then you are hardly going to graduate to cleaning the boghouse are you?

It would do a few militant whingers good to run their own business for a bit, they would see which side the old bread was buttered on.

We wonder why migrants come here and make a success because whatever they are ability they take turning up at work as a serious matter.

Anyway, maybe he pulled "a sickie", maybe his boss let him have the time anyway, maybe the deal fell over.

turn it in you boring prxc:pk