Moving House OH Been refused time off...!!

Captain_Mainwaring_2

confused31 wrote: »

as it said in the original post can he take time off for parental leave? as the law stands he can simple as that, so i dont know why you people are say he shouldnt as the law clearly states he can.


all he would have to say his, his misuss is otherwise occupied and he has no one to look after his kids,its as simple as that.

It might not be the truth, but who really cares about that.

It doesnt have to be an "emergency"

confused

Actually I care about it. So, not only is our employee unreliable, he is a liar too? Definitely down the road for him..


Try being honest with your boss and you might find he goes out of his way to be reasonable.

tbs624

confused31 wrote: »

as it said in the original post can he take time off for parental leave? as the law stands he can simple as that, so i dont know why you people are say he shouldnt as the law clearly states he can.

Here's a bit from the OP:

JoJoArmani wrote: »

We are moving house tomorrow (Friday). OH rang his work on Monday to let them know he would need Fri and Sat off. Bit short notice but we only had the date confirmed on Monday.........

He couldn't get through to his manager so he left a message with reception and stressed that he must get the message. We then went out and didn't think to follow it up.....

Okay, so picture that you are one of his colleagues - you maybe have no family yet, but you've had a day booked as "off" on the rota, so you make arrangements to enjoy your day with your GF or whatever. You may even be a colleague with a family - maybe you were going to see your daughter in a school play or sports day.

You get a last minute phone call from your manager saying that you have to come in because someone who couldn't get themselves organised is doing what you , Confused, suggest. Of course, the employment contract contains that "providing cover as and when required" clause or a variation of it.........

Why should an employer and/or your work colleagues have to make allowances for a lack of planning on someone else's part? If you choose to have a family ( and yes, I have one) then the care of them is primarily your responsibility. IMO these sorts of situations just take a bit of forethought and planning - it's what friends, family and neighbours are for. There was always the possibility of hiring a babysitter.

confused31 wrote: »

all he would have to say his, his misuss is otherwise occupied and he has no one to look after his kids,its as simple as that.

All you would have to do when moving house ( because let's face it, it does take a 2 or 3 months for the sale to go through) is to talk to your line manager well in advance, keep in touch with your solicitor and impress upon him/her that you need max advance warning, see the supervisor or manager in person asap after you have the date, and then there shouldn't be a problem.

I don't think anyone would object to covering for a colleague when it's a genuine emergency, say, if your child was ill or you have very young children and your partner was taken ill. If it's short notice you may even be able to personally get a colleage to agree to cover, and present that cover as a "fait accompli" to the manager. However, IMO, people who talk in the way you do are the reason why employers prefer to employ people who either have no kids or whose kids are older.

confused31 wrote: »

It might not be the truth, but who really cares about that.

I think I've covered that one.

As I said before , it looks like the OP found a workable solution to their temporary difficulty and hopefully they are now busy unpacking their boxes.

flower_72

confused31 wrote: »

Laws are there to be used its not just for emergencies, it states that if someone needs to look after there dependents they are able to take time off.

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Im just saying what i would do and if he wants he can have the time off and they cant do anything about it, as long as he say hes looking after his kids, it has not got to be an emergency.
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They always give me the day off and they know they cant do anything about it, and that isnt an emergency, its just me being a parent.

confused

It seems, you are mixing up 2 different issues.
Parental leave - unpaid, to look after your child when ill or no cover
Emergency leave - unpaid, when your presence is needed to care for a child or other dependants, etc

Parental leave needs to be booked in advance. The employer might not have much option but agree providing the demand is reasonable
Emergency leave can't be booked. (it's an emergency!) This is when a parent rings at the last minute and says "I can't come in today/ tomorrow, my child has fallen ill/ my childminder has fallen ill/ the school has burnt down/ my old gran has been taken to hospital..." Again the employer has not much option but agree providing the demand is reasonable.

The OP situation doesn't fall into either categories. It's a shame the company isn't flexible. (it probably would be in their interest to be. Happy worker, better worker and all that) However the law doesn't provide last minute time off for moving house!

I hope the OP's husband manages to work something out with the supervisor on the day in order for him to finish early. It looks like they have already agreed to some flexibility in the hours. There might be hope?

Good luck with the move. It's stressful enough as it is, hope it all goes well.

confused31_2

flower_72 wrote: »

It seems, you are mixing up 2 different issues.
Parental leave - unpaid, to look after your child when ill or no cover
Emergency leave - unpaid, when your presence is needed to care for a child or other dependants, etc

Parental leave needs to be booked in advance. The employer might not have much option but agree providing the demand is reasonable
Emergency leave can't be booked. (it's an emergency!) This is when a parent rings at the last minute and says "I can't come in today/ tomorrow, my child has fallen ill/ my childminder has fallen ill/ the school has burnt down/ my old gran has been taken to hospital..." Again the employer has not much option but agree providing the demand is reasonable.

The OP situation doesn't fall into either categories. It's a shame the company isn't flexible. (it probably would be in their interest to be. Happy worker, better worker and all that) However the law doesn't provide last minute time off for moving house!

I hope the OP's husband manages to work something out with the supervisor on the day in order for him to finish early. It looks like they have already agreed to some flexibility in the hours. There might be hope?

Good luck with the move. It's stressful enough as it is, hope it all goes well.

so why cant he say he has no one to look after his kids and he needs time off?

It hasnt got to be an emergency if he needs to look after his kids he can have the time off.

hasnt anyone ever told a white lie?

They are not going to call him a liar and sack him they will just have to give him the benefit of the doubt.

its all over now and we probably wont know what happened, but if i was in that situation i would have phoned up early friday morning and said my babysitters ill and im going to have to have the time off to look after my kids.

I know where i work they would not try and dicipline me as they know the law and would not even attempt to dicipline me.

They might know im not telling the truth, but they would be very hard pushed to prove i was lying, what would they do get a private investigatior for 2 days to prove i was lying?



confused

Captain_Mainwaring_2

confused31 wrote: »

so why cant he say he has no one to look after his kids and he needs time off?

You will have the poor fellow baring his breast and suckling the kids next, the reason he has the issue (with the greatest respect to the OP) is of his own making, they didn't plan in advance

It hasnt got to be an emergency if he needs to look after his kids he can have the time off.

Yes, he can just ponce about and !!!!!! the job, never let work interfere with your social life eh?

hasnt anyone ever told a white lie?

Frequently, but not when I need some latitude from my boss

They are not going to call him a liar and sack him they will just have to give him the benefit of the doubt.

They don't have to do anything of the sort, that's what you can do when you are the boss.

its all over now and we probably wont know what happened, but if i was in that situation i would have phoned up early friday morning and said my babysitters ill and im going to have to have the time off to look after my kids.

Like I said, I would love to hand you (not the OP) your P45 when you came back after the break, I'd find some reason (ironclad) to get rid of you.

I know where i work they would not try and dicipline me as they know the law and would not even attempt to dicipline me.

At McDonalds, the staff are viewed as transient.

They might know im not telling the truth, but they would be very hard pushed to prove i was lying, what would they do get a private investigatior for 2 days to prove i was lying?

Cr4p attitude.



confused

No wonder this country is on it's harris.

tbs624

confused31 wrote: »

.....It hasnt got to be an emergency if he needs to look after his kids he can have the time off.

No-one has said that you shouldn't get the time off, just that its reasonable to expect that you make proper plans, rather than dumping on other people.

confused31 wrote: »

hasnt anyone ever told a white lie?

Yeah - there's a tooth fairy and santa comes at Christmas, and when you grow up if you have kids of your own it's okay to expect everyone else to run around you.:D

confused31 wrote: »

........ if i was in that situation i would have phoned up early friday morning and said my babysitters ill and im going to have to have the time off to look after my kids.

..presumably because you don't give a flying whatnot about your own work colleagues. If you have a job and you're paid for doing it, then it must be a role that is vital to the company - if you're not there to do it then someone else has to be.

Some people see the world differently from how you do Confused .

confused31_2

tbs624 wrote: »

No-one has said that you shouldn't get the time off, just that its reasonable to expect that you make proper plans, rather than dumping on other people.
Yeah - there's a tooth fairy and santa comes at Christmas, and when you grow up if you have kids of your own it's okay to expect everyone else to run around you.:D

..presumably because you don't give a flying whatnot about your own work colleagues. If you have a job and you're paid for doing it, then it must be a role that is vital to the company - if you're not there to do it then someone else has to be.

Some people see the world differently from how you do Confused .

whatever, im not really bothered how you see the world, the original post was could he have time off for parental duties, the simple answer is yes.

He would not get paid and the other 299 people would be able to cover his job, i do have children and i do have time off to look after them, my employer does not ask any questions and all i say is ive got a problem and i need to look after my kids.

i dont get paid for the time off, but when my family need me they come first and i will use every employment law trick to get the time off.

But thats my choice im not an employer im an employee, where i work we have work time flexibilty, the company always use this for their benefit.

When an employee at my place goes to HR and asks to work flexible, for instance say reduced hours they get it refused.

Thats probably why most the people where i work use the law to get time off one way or the other.

I think you will find most large organisations work the same, i could understand if it was a small firm of say 10 people but someone who employs 300 people it should not have been a problem.

I just think what they done to him, by not letting him have the time off, was what big companies treat their employees like and i think it was completely out of order.

Im sure is fellow employees would have covered for him, or maybe it meant that some one whos sat on their fat !!!! all day would have had to work.

confused

tbs624

confused31 wrote: »

whatever, im not really bothered how you see the world,

Sooooooo not bothered that you replied :rotfl:

confused31_2

Captain_Mainwaring wrote: »

Perhaps the children going to school is not that important for one day?

for someone who's so much of an upstanding part ogf the comunity to make that statement is most funny.:D
You make me laugh its alright for the kids to throw a sicky, but their dad cant, hes not even getting paid for it, very hypacritical.

confused

confused31_2

tbs624 wrote: »

Sooooooo not bothered that you replied :rotfl:

yawwwwwn:p