I've got a speeding ticket !!

tomstickland

There are some people who do seem to take it as a personal affront if you overtake them when they are travelling considerably more slowly than the limit for no good reason.

IvanOpinion

Pew_Pew_Pew_Lasers! wrote: »

We all pick and choose which laws we obey. Speed limits are widely ignored, I would guess that around 9/10 drivers exceed them every single day.

I'd rather people ignore laws they don't like. It demonstrates that people still have free will and that the government can't dictate how we run our lives.

Agree to a certain extent but nobody should condone ignoring of any law ... what they should do is bring about change. If not then one has to ask where is your line ... you might think you are safe to do 40 in a 30mph zone past a school, somebody else may think they are safe doing 80mph ... where is the line.

I use my mobile phone all the time while driving. Its in a car cradle and requires little intervention from myself.

If it meets the requirements of the law then fine, if not then expect to pay the pathietic poncy slap in the wrist that they currently dish out.

I have driven a car many times after having a drink or two. I have no problem with it, my standard of driving is superior to a lot of other people even after a pint. By the way there is no such thing as a 'drunk driving' law.

If you think that I'm somehow in denial that's fine, just don't equate those drivers like myself who safely exceed the limit every day with people like yourself who needed to 'grow up'.

Do you know, virtually everybody I know thinks they are a superior or above average driver .. virtualy everybody thinks they can safely exceed speed limits ... I even remember a drunk claiming that he could handle his car after several pints (fortunately he lost his licence before he could do any damage to someone) ... occasionally they find out that such arrogance is not necessarily within their control .... very very few people go out to deliberately crash their car/bike.

People who bleat on about speed limits as though they're the be-all and end-all of safe driving generally don't have a clue.

I actually haven't seen anybody 'bleat' on saying speed is the end-all, however I have seen many bleat on about what good drivers they are and that it will never happen to them. I just hope I am not the one in the way should it happen to them.

Ivan

Pew_Pew_Pew_Lasers!

IvanOpinion wrote: »

Agree to a certain extent but nobody should condone ignoring of any law ... what they should do is bring about change. If not then one has to ask where is your line ... you might think you are safe to do 40 in a 30mph zone past a school, somebody else may think they are safe doing 80mph ... where is the line.'

The line is where a traffic officer witnesses your actions and deems them to be unsafe, and then pulls you over to either bollock you or fine you.

IvanOpinion wrote: »

Do you know, virtually everybody I know thinks they are a superior or above average driver .. virtualy everybody thinks they can safely exceed speed limits ... I even remember a drunk claiming that he could handle his car after several pints (fortunately he lost his licence before he could do any damage to someone) ... occasionally they find out that such arrogance is not necessarily within their control .... very very few people go out to deliberately crash their car/bike.

I don't think I am an above average driver, I know I am. I know this because I've been driving a long time, I've taken an advanced driving course (and passed), done a skid-pan, and because I've been cycling for a great many years. I also have a clean licence, in fact it has always been clean. I maintain my own vehicle so I understand mechanical sympathy. I watch everybody around me and see the mistakes they make, driving errors which I avoid without even thinking about it. These are the same people who will write 'all of a sudden' on their insurance claim form.

IvanOpinion wrote: »

I actually haven't seen anybody 'bleat' on saying speed is the end-all,

Odd, it seems to be the only thing they can talk about. Perhaps they don't understand the things that are really important.

IvanOpinion

Pew_Pew_Pew_Lasers! wrote: »

The line is where a traffic officer witnesses your actions and deems them to be unsafe, and then pulls you over to either bollock you or fine you.

That sounds a bit like you are saying it is OK just as long as you don't get caught?

I don't think I am an above average driver, I know I am. I know this because I've been driving a long time, I've taken an advanced driving course (and passed), done a skid-pan, and because I've been cycling for a great many years. I also have a clean licence, in fact it has always been clean. I maintain my own vehicle so I understand mechanical sympathy. I watch everybody around me and see the mistakes they make, driving errors which I avoid without even thinking about it. These are the same people who will write 'all of a sudden' on their insurance claim form.

I think the majority of people involved in accidents would consider themselves (or know) that they were above average. If I go to a ridiculous extreme, Ayrton Senna would have considered himself to be above average (and he was) , but that did not save him when the unexpected happened ... now if he had have been doing 30mph he would probably have survived (however he may not have won as many races).

Are you thinking of 'all of a sudden a tree jumped out in front of me'

Odd, it seems to be the only thing they can talk about. Perhaps they don't understand the things that are really important.

I still haven't seen anybody who 'bleats' on saying speed is the end-all ... it is one of many factors but because it can/does influence many of those other factors it is very important ... I guess we are just going to have to agree to disagree on this one

Ivan

Happychappy

bargepole wrote: »

Unfortunately, neither of these things are true, I have the evidence to prove that camera operators can create deliberately false readings, and also have the records of 21 contested penalty notices where the Police and CPS were unable, or unwilling, to provide the "evidence" in Court.

The whole system of so-called safety cameras is just a cash cow for the treasury, and it's all based on the fact that 96% of drivers, when they get a fixed penalty notice, meekly pay up the £60 because they believe all the lies and spin put out by the "safety camera partnerships".

Should you choose to contest the ticket in court, the police, the CPS and even in some cases the court officials will all lie and try to bully you into pleading guilty. Magistrates have also been known to ignore facts, and the law, and wrongly convict people who then have to go to Crown Court to get justice.

Next time you're passing a police van with an open window filming traffic, just remember that the device inside will almost certainly be an LTi 20:20, imported from the USA by Teletraffic Ltd, who sell these devices to nearly all UK Police forces. The main shareholding director of this company is Frank Garrett, an ex-policeman, who is sometimes called as an "expert witness" in court cases. The last time he did this, in Preston Crown Court, he was forced to admit that it is possible to get false readings from these devices, the case collapsed and the appellant successfully got his fine and points revoked, and Mr Garrett's status has now been called into question by a High Court Judge.

I AM NOT PARANOID !! I AM NOT PARANOID just keep repeating it or you will start to believe the baseless tripe you spit out :rolleyes: poor old thing, it really is a conspiracy and they really are out to get me oh and Elvis does work in that chip shop in Bradford ?

tomstickland

I think the majority of people involved in accidents would consider themselves (or know) that they were above average.

Yes, more than 50% consider themselves better than average, but they clearly are not. A reasonable grounds for considering yourself above average is to consistantly spot others making mistakes. I'd expect that if you asked some of the doozers out there to list mistakes that they see others make that they don't make they'd just say "people go too fast" and nothing else.

For example, I was travelling at 70ish indicated along a wide A road and was catching up with a vehicle travelling at 50ish. Up ahead was a junction with a car waiting to pull out. In a double act of incompetance, because the car in front was gaining so slowly, the driver on the sideroad ran out of patience and pulled out late. The car in front of me then carried on, seemingly missing the rather obvious situation, then at the last minute braked hard.
I'd conclude from that that both of them were significantly more crap than myself. In that: I observed situation and predicted what would happen, car on sideroad made poor judgement of oncoming car's speed, made poor judgement on pulling out, car in front of me would have been safer to be travelling faster but ready to brake if they needed to. They were clearly not observing potential hazards.

Another example: I spot ambulances/police cars with sirens and pull over well before they get anywhere near me. One day, I pulled over to let them past and they caught up with the car in front of me, which proceeded for about 1/4 of a mile before noticing anything. ie: 1/4 of a mile with an ambulance with sirens on and lights flashing.

I don't consider myself "perfect". However, I do pay attention, think, anticipate and observe. The more you do this then the more exasperated you become with the plodding stupidity you see around you.

bargepole

Happychappy wrote: »

I AM NOT PARANOID !! I AM NOT PARANOID just keep repeating it or you will start to believe the baseless tripe you spit out :rolleyes: poor old thing, it really is a conspiracy and they really are out to get me oh and Elvis does work in that chip shop in Bradford ?

Baseless tripe? My dear chap, it's all provable, documented, and based on real events in real courts over the past 4 years.

And remember, just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean there's nobody out to get you. Elvis, as most people know by now, is a guest on Radio 2 most weeks.

anewman

One aspect of speeding not yet mentioned, on this moneysaving site, is that on motorways and NSL dual carriageways etc, in many cars it is relatively reasonable to do 60mph. Doing an indicated 80mph may be perfectly legal (in the respect that your speedo under-reads and you aren't fined unless you do a certain amount over the limit), but will cost you more to get there with relatively little time benefit.

Happychappy

bargepole wrote: »

Baseless tripe? My dear chap, it's all provable, documented, and based on real events in real courts over the past 4 years.

And remember, just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean there's nobody out to get you. Elvis, as most people know by now, is a guest on Radio 2 most weeks.

Is the four years you refer to, the four years you have been in the Court system ? And why do the Police, the CPS, the Courts Clerks all agree to conspire and lie?

It couldnt possibly be a simple case that they don't believe you :rolleyes: shock horror, but to say they all lie is a little silly, well a lot silly really, so you really should get out more, but if you do, just keep an eye on your speed, there's a good chap :rotfl:

tomstickland

Doing an indicated 80mph may be perfectly legal, but will cost you more to get there with relatively little time benefit.

It depends on the road and how busy it is. If it's empty then they'll be a 25% time saving of 80 indicated over 60 indicated.