TV Licence article Discussion

No-Feed-Elite.

silverwhistle wrote: »

Shame. It would be better on your compost heap..

Compost bin is full, (mainly tea-bags) and I've been trying to sell the contents, to no avail.

drbraindead

I can see there are many in this thread (which I was not aware of) who are interested in the TV Licence hot topic.

There is another discussion which I have started in the campaigns corner "Ban the TV licence"

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/4895486

I hope some may find it of interest.

tvlicencesareafarce

I was going to post to ask a question however I have found the answer out myself, I may as well post my findings just incase someone else is having a similar dilemma.

Right so, basically I'm a student, currently living in my family home, we pay for a TV licence there, my query was that if when I go to visit my partner at her accomodation, can I still watch live content on my laptop at her flat covered by my permanent residences TV licence, when she does not own a licence herself (as she does not watch live content, purely online non-live media). The answer I have found states that I may watch live content, covered by my permanent residents TV licence providing I do not plug my laptop into the mains and it runs of it's own batteries whilst watching the live content.)

www.
tv licensing.co
uk / faqs / FAQ32 /

Sorry about the spacing guys, it won't let me post the link for you, :mad:

So, I can watch the football tonight via the net, on my laptop (unplugged) tonight at her place, instead of dragging my butt home in the cold, result! :rotfl:

sandrahen

just a question, if I am not in the country and my licence is up for renewal. Am I allowed legally to renew from when I return. I have mentioned this to them before and they say I have renew from when the renewal is due. For eg. if it runs out end of aug and I don't return until end of October, surely I can renew from then as I shouldn't have to pay for a TV that is not being used. many thanks

cw18

as long as there's no-one in the property watching live TV, then no licence is required. you can't delay a renewal, but you CAN cancel your current one and then apply for a new one on your return.

they'll only refund a full quarter, so if you're not in the country now get it cancelled and they'll refund June, July and August (a quarter of the fee you paid for the current year).

Mine had a renewal date of 1st April 2011, so I cancelled on 31st Dec 2010 via their website and was refunded for Jan, Feb and March (plus what I'd already pre-paid for the following year as I was on monthly D/Debit so was paid up until the end of June).

Cornucopia

sandrahen wrote: »

just a question, if I am not in the country and my licence is up for renewal. Am I allowed legally to renew from when I return. I have mentioned this to them before and they say I have renew from when the renewal is due. For eg. if it runs out end of aug and I don't return until end of October, surely I can renew from then as I shouldn't have to pay for a TV that is not being used. many thanks

Yes, you don't need a licence for the time when you are out of the country (assuming no one is using your TV when you are not here).

You may have to persuade TVL about this, or you can simply buy a new licence for cash at a Paypal outlet.

was7310

The BBC TV License Extortion Racket Exposed
www
youtube.com/
watch?v=b9uq5X3OGjU

was7310

Cornucopia wrote: »

Yes, you don't need a licence for the time when you are out of the country (assuming no one is using your TV when you are not here).

You may have to persuade TVL about this, or you can simply buy a new licence for cash at a Paypal outlet.

The BBC TV License Extortion Racket Exposed
you don't need a licence as you have no contract with them because its a business and you must have a contract to an agreement..... so type "The BBC TV License Extortion Racket Exposed" in to YouTube and see...

Cornucopia

Contract law is not relevant to TVL issues.

There are legal remedies that work, for those who are interested. They are based either on Common Law principles (Withdrawal of Implied Right of Access) or ECHR principles (Refusal to consent to breaches of Article 8).

thickbloke

Not had a TV since 1995 when I came back off holiday to find a reminder which I could not afford so got rid of the TV and did without. Never a wasted day since!

However, TV Licensing have since then, despite my replies and responses, continued to send me on a regular monthly basis, their bullying and intimidating letters telling me what to expect if I am taken to court if I am caught watching TV without a licence. At first I was concerned but after a little research I found that they do not have a leg to stand on unless they can prove without doubt that the law is being broken and you are, indeed, watching television without a licence. Only then will they be able to get a warrant issued. As I do not have a TV it is no problem and now I look forward to receiving my FAN mail (he he).

I saved it all for years and, eventually, when an 'enforcement officer' did actually call I confronted him with it all and started asking questions to which he had no answer such as why did they address the letter to the 'legal occupier'? What if I am an illegal occupier?. If you threaten me with court action would it not be better to use my name rather than an ambiguous title? After some squirming and attempting to leave I finally asked him why I was not allowed to write 'below the line' on the letters? (at the bottom of the letter is a 'Do not write below this line' - obviously they use the same paper that pay-in slips are printed on). I asked him was it against the law? Did they want the letter back in prime condition for some reason? Was it to save unnecessary waste of ink or pencil lead? Could I be summonsed if I did? Eventually he started to leave and I shouted after him “Where are you going Mr Capita representative for TV Licensing? I still have some more questions to ask, I've not finished yet”. As they have attempted to bully and intimidate me with their relentless threatening mail for years I thought I was entitled to get my own back. Needless to say I have never had another visit!

You can actually stop them calling by evoking a very old law called “Removal of Implied right of access”. If your property has unrestricted access to your front door (no locked gate etc.) you are giving by default, access to your threshold (but not across it, that takes legal paperwork such as a warrant). You can write to TV Licensing at their registered address stating that you, as the owner, tenant etc. hear by remove the implied right of access to your property to the BBC and any agents or third parties acting on their behalf. Usually they write back and acknowledge this but still threaten to carry out their 'investigations' by other means (bullying or what!) but that is no matter, it is still empty threats if you are not watching TV illegally. I have not done this as I look forward to future visits from them.

At first I was concerned but now its a joke! I treated him with courtesy and friendly manner at all times while asking difficult questions. I pointed out to him that he need not worry about my attitude because they could have a copy of the video recording upon request as I pointed to an old and dead webcam on the wall of the porch. Their training does not tell them how to cope with this!