tesco fuel scam maybe?

bigjl

What car do you have inked.

I must admit that I only started to notice a difference with my mk3 Mondeo, the wifes Clio smokes a tiny bit more on supermarket fuel, don't think it does less to the gallon.

It made no difference that I noticed on my Subaru Legacy, that was a 2004 with a 2.0 single cam engine with an autobox, and it drove the same no matter what you put in it.

I always took the opinion of these people saying they noticed a difference with a pinch of salt, until I put Tesco fuel in my Mondeo 130 TDCi, poxy thing doesn't tick over smoothly anymore, lacks power, smokes like a dog and does noticably less to the gallon, why? I don't know, but I am not going to run it on a fuel that makes it run crap, not with the known weaknesses of the injection system and fuel pump in the mk3 Mondeo, the 130 TDCi was apparently well known for needing expensive repairs.

Maybe mine is on the way out, but as it runs spot on on BP/Esso or Shell then that is what it gets, along with a good dose of STP or Redex at oil change time.

inked

Over the last five years I have had a Seat Ibiza 1.2 petrol, a Ford Puma 1.7 petrol, a Ford Focus 1.8 petrol and a Ford Fiesta 1.6 diesel. Not had any problems with any of them.

cardinalbiggles

bigjl wrote: »

I am confused though, why don't BP etc just get Tesco to supply their fuel? If it is all the same that is.

Ok, you do realise that Tesco buy whatever they can source, I can tell you that as fact that you have probably had Shell, BP, Esso fuel from Tesco filling stations. Tesco is one of the largest fuel retailers in the UK.

The fuel comes from the same refineries and same production lines and gets transported in the same tankers.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is dellusional.

cardinalbiggles

bigjl wrote: »

Or are you suggesting that a 5w30 engine oil made by Halfords or Tesco is exactly the same as a 5w30 oil made by Mobil?

They both have the same A1B1 specs but they will not be the same.

You dont understand standards do you...

And yes, Halfords oil may indeed be more similair to Mobil than you would think

almillar

No point in banging on about supermarket's (or other's) fuel meeting minimum standards - the failures that occur that are tracked down to the fuel will be from problems with the fuel, a batch which would not meet minimum standards.

Dave101t

yup its all a big conspiracy isnt it? tesco are doing this to every driver with the full knowledge that it will bankrupt their business if the truth gets out. Or... there are alot of nutters on MSE

Strider590

Dave101t wrote: »

yup its all a big conspiracy isnt it? tesco are doing this to every driver with the full knowledge that it will bankrupt their business if the truth gets out. Or... there are alot of nutters on MSE

It'd take more than that to ruin Tesco.

bigjl

cardinalbiggles wrote: »

Ok, you do realise that Tesco buy whatever they can source, I can tell you that as fact that you have probably had Shell, BP, Esso fuel from Tesco filling stations. Tesco is one of the largest fuel retailers in the UK.

The fuel comes from the same refineries and same production lines and gets transported in the same tankers.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is dellusional.

Really?

Why do I never see any BP tankers delivering to Tesco, I see plenty of Tesco ones, though they have recently changed the logos on the tankers recently.]Can't say I have paid mucg attention.


I have never, ever seen a Tesco tanker delivering to any BP station so I doubt very much that they all fill up from the same tank.

Don't forget that just because the basic refined product is similar, maybe even identical then there is no evidence that the product is improved greatly by the addition of additives after refinement.

Or are you saying that 95RON is the same as 97RON, which is the same as the 102RON you can buy at certain BP stations?

Are you also saying that City Diesel is the same as Super Diesel or whatever name they are using these days for the differently priced diesel products on sale.

Are you also saying that marine diesel is the same?

As diesel used on inland waterways or by farmers has only very recently required to be low sulphar, as untill the EU stuck it's nose in it was good old fashioned "full fat" diesel.

Actually the "full fat" diesel full of sulphar is still available for boots used off shore apparently.

This information comes from a well repected Boating magazine, which was publishing recent EU requirements.


So what you are saying is that there is really only one kind of diesel, and that all this is my imagination.

I personally think that no matter where the fuel is made, there are still several different standards of fuel, wether it be petrol or diesel.

Your position that all petrol and diesel are the same just doesn't hold any water.

cardinalbiggles

bigjl wrote: »

Really?

Why do I never see any BP tankers delivering to Tesco, I see plenty of Tesco ones, though they have recently changed the logos on the tankers recently.]Can't say I have paid mucg attention.


I have never, ever seen a Tesco tanker delivering to any BP station so I doubt very much that they all fill up from the same tank.

Don't forget that just because the basic refined product is similar, maybe even identical then there is no evidence that the product is improved greatly by the addition of additives after refinement.

Em..... Nobody said BP tankers deliver to Tesco, I said they may contain the same fuel. When it comes out the refinery its either into a Tesco tanker or a BP tanker and it often is the EXACT SAME PRODUCT.

If as you say there is not evidence that additives effect the quality then you are agreeing that all petrol and diesel for automotive use is the same. It all comes from the same plant if aditives dont make a difference (and I dont believe they do except for winter additives to stop diesel turning to wax) then the fuel is identical, simple as that.

Your comments about other types of diesel are a red herring, they are different applications, we are talking of automotive diesel here.

bigjl

cardinalbiggles wrote: »

You dont understand standards do you...

And yes, Halfords oil may indeed be more similair to Mobil than you would think

MMmm, yes I remember when Mobil 1 was tested for a million miles, but nobody noticed that they were actually using Tesco own brand 10w40, not Mobil 1.


If all oil is the same why are there different recommendations for the same vehicle when used in different conditions etc.

I think you are just trying to justify being tight, by stating that we are wasting money by using decent oil and in fact should all switch to Tesco own brand.

Well, good luck with that, I will stick to top spec oil, had a look at the specs on the Tesco or Halford cheapo oil, you can keep it, I will spend the extra and have peace of mind.


I think it is a bit strange that some people believe that just because it meets minimum standard they are happy.

You can build a house that complies to minimum regs and it is still crap, anybody that has ever bought or lived in a new build will confirm this, the entire property is up to strict minimum regs.

The PPP Hospitals were also built to agreed minimum standards, or plasterboard and spit...................

But, it complies to minimum standards you say, so why are they falling apart so soon?

Funny how the old Hospitals that were built properly are still lasting well, or at least they are were if they haven't been knocked down and the land sold off in some PPP profiteering scheme.